Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, it'd make sure no-one ever flies a battleship again I suppose.

Let's find valid uses for the ships that aren't being used first.

Assault Frigates and Battleships, I am looking at you.

What is up with the "bitter vet syndrome"? More ships is better for EVE. It encourages more fun options to train into, adds more content, puts money making oppunitunties on the markets and changes up combat meta.

I never said OP unbalanced ships that make anything obsolete. There are numbers of ways to make a T3 version of a battlecruiser without nullifying the usefulness of battleships.

Frigates already have numerous T1 and T2 variants of hulls. Same with Cruisers. Destroyers have finally gotten a few new hull types. Even battlships have a number of various pirate and naval faction options. However, battlecruisers have the fewest number of hulls in which to fly.

There is only so much "tweaking and modifying" you can do to the current game. New features and new continent makes the game desirable to play. Making old players want to come back - that have stop playing. And it shows new people that are thinking about playing EVE for the first time that the game is still alive and growing.

Lol....Victorieux Luxury Yacht was kind of a T3 shuttle.

Personally I think that the general reaction to your proposal is not "bitter vet syndrome", rather it is an awareness that every class of T3 hull introduced to the game so far has helped to make multiple T1 and T2 hulls redundant and this proposal would probably be no different.

I would go so far as to say that in my experience T3 hulls are closing off rather than encouraging the fun options, content and opportunities you seek and leading to a stagnant and boring monoculture in many parts of the PvP meta.

Not necessarily.

More ships are better if they improve the meta and help diversify what people are flying. By and large, T3 ships have been proven to do exactly the opposite. They stagnate the meta and obsolete T1 and T2 ships, meaning that only new players bother flying them, and they get WTFBBQPWNd by their T3 brethren who also have better skilled pilots on top of more powerful ships.

I mean, let's be honest, when T3 cruisers first came out, they obsoleted most (if not all) of the HACs, pretty much all the command ships (in terms of boosting), and they were more effective on the battle field than most battlecruisers,and a fair few battleships because of their agility, small size, and over sized fitting and tank. It's only in the last couple of years that CCP have finally figured out that T3 cruisers were a LOLWTF-Mistake, and started doing something about it.

Then they went and made the same mistake with the T3 Destroyers. There is literally no reason to fly an assault frigate now. None. T3 dessies are faster, tankier, and do more damage. In short, they do what assault frigates do, but better. And at the price point they landed at, they're cheap enough that youc an use them as "throw-away" heavy tackle without fainting from sticker shock when you die.

This is the risk you run into when you start adding new ships, especially in the lower classes.

T3 ships are supposed to be able to do a lot of things pretty good, but not as well as specialized ships (if we harken back to the dev blogs around the command ship bonus rejiggering). T1 base - T2 specialized - T3 generalized. Instead CCP keeps making them do a lot of things ******* awesomely, to the point that it becomes ludicrous to fly anything else, especially for the short trains it takes to get into the destroyers.

Don't get me wrong. I love new ships. I play Eve for the ships, but aside from the Bowhead and the ORE mining frigates, there isn't a ship released in the last two years that doesn't trounce all over some other class of ships. We need more combat roles to fill before we start adding ships to fill them.

Edit: And don't misunderstand me - I didn't shun the T3 dessies. The Jackdaw and I are becoming fast friends. But that doesn't mean they don't need fixing.

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And how about alittle more information than just a few lines???

I cant even think of Faction battlecruisers... and you want T3, just no.

Personally...call me crazy, but I feel like T3's should have been removed from the game rather than more added. They did this to industry teams and weapons icons from way back when they were determined to be more of a problem than helpful feature. Why CCP felt adding T3's rather than working on the ones we've had was a good idea? Not sure.

They are a good idea in theory and a pretty cool concept, but it's this Marine's opinion that they are the worst thing to add to a game you're trying to keep balanced.

Maybe give them a mesh between modular like t3 crusiers and modes like t3 destroyers. Maybe make the skills for tge sub mods lev iii so it hurts when you loose one.