Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We all enjoy pvp, thats what we all have in common. Problem is some of us seek riches in places that requires a lot of time and effort which pushes us away from pvp for extended periods of time, and after a while we go back to pvp only to feel hungry for another expedition in search of riches and fortune.
I asked myself the question “how can we bridge the gap between pve and pvp in order to create more rich pvp content in places like highsec”.

on my quest to answer this question I wrote down a few basic guidelines
* the ideal scenario for a pvp’er is having many different types of ships fitted for many different situations (so you can quickly adapt to your opponent and undock in any ship that you think will beat his setup)
* the pvp’er has ships scattered accross multiple systems and multiple regions
* every pvp’ers wet dream is to be mobile for extended periods of time and be almost like an explorer going on an adventure, and constantly on the move roaming from system to system in search for pvp action. A big part of this type of space adventure is toning down the amount of social interaction that we ususally associate with pvp roams.
* everyone wants to fire their guns as much as possible, you simply cant get enough of explosions and lasers. we want to fire our guns and utilize our ships power fully at every opportunity. we always need more opportunities, because we just cant get enough. even pvp roams get a bit dull sometimes.

So when I tried to combine pvp and pve with the help of the guidelines I came to these conclusions:
* we need to be able to do "pve missions" in "pvp ships" that we enjoy flying (being able to fly your currently preferred pvp ship).
* just like in nullsec we need to be able to travel for long periods of time from system to system without having a base of operation. almost like a pvp/pve roam where opportunity for either one of those could come along.
* maybe a new type of long term PvE missions (perhaps you are employed/hired by npc corporations long term and you roam around finding jobs on the go and building up your resume, while staying in constant communication with local agents without having to dock, if necessary the agents will meet you out in space or near stargates to retreive cargo that they require)
* being able to join epic PvE fleet fights to chip in with your dps, in fleet fights you are not forced to tank all the damage. atleast in a fleet fight there is a chance you wont get primaried.
* The missions that you accept during your travels might have to depend on the type of ship you are currently flying. this is so that you can fly what you prefer to fly and be able to find missions that fits you.

if you disagree with one or all points, please share your thoughts and ideas on the subject.

Heh

The "official" EVE answer to this is to roll an alt...

Quite frankly: No, I do not want to shoot other players day in, day out. I am perfectly fine with calm times to pursue other activities. And I do not really need PVP when I hunt rats. So do not generalize where your opinion doesn't reflect all players.

Sins with mobile Depots and covert cyno T3. High sec mission can be run in active tanked PVP ships. More variety is fine. Replacing every thing in PVE with something that has nothing but PVP in mind is not.

We do not all enjoy PvP(traditional players shooting each others ships definition inserted here).
As stated there are many of us that happily spend hours doing all of the other things that EvE has to offer.
While I recognize and accept that EvE is a PvP(same definition as above) oriented game and in fact that is the primary focus of this game CCP has wisely put all of the other activities into it. Whether that was by design or a stroke of luck really does not matter as it gives the game an appeal to a much broader player base than it would have otherwise. One has to wonder why it is that you PvP(same definition as above) players are all so hell bent on trying to undue that and force all people into YOUR chosen game play style?

Not going to be able to do the normal quote things as it would exceend the limits so have some patience with this.


* the ideal scenario for a pvp’er is having many different types of ships fitted for many different situations (so you can quickly adapt to your opponent and undock in any ship that you think will beat his setup)
Ever heard of the Bowhead, or an Orca. IF you are in low or nul what about a carrier?

* the pvp’er has ships scattered accross multiple systems and multiple regions
So does the average PvE enthusiast so what is your point here?

* every pvp’ers wet dream is to be mobile for extended periods of time and be almost like an explorer going on an adventure, and constantly on the move roaming from system to system in search for pvp action. A big part of this type of space adventure is toning down the amount of social interaction that we ususally associate with pvp roams.
To make this possible see ships listed above.
If you do not like the social interaction portion then ignore local and roam solo.

* everyone wants to fire their guns as much as possible, you simply cant get enough of explosions and lasers. we want to fire our guns and utilize our ships power fully at every opportunity. we always need more opportunities, because we just cant get enough. even pvp roams get a bit dull sometimes.
This is your opinion and I guarantee you that it is not shared by ALL EvE players. I know many players that have been in the game far longer than I have and they have NEVER fired a single gun, or launched a single missile why should their game play style be removed or changed simpply because you think it should be?


* we need to be able to do "pve missions" in "pvp ships" that we enjoy flying (being able to fly your currently preferred pvp ship).
Unless all missions were turned into the burner style this is never going to happen. PvP is intense burst of firepower over a relatively short period of time. PvE content on the other hand can have every bit as much incoming DPS but it is sustained over a far longer period of time thus the differences in PvP vs PvE fits.

* just like in nullsec we need to be able to travel for long periods of time from system to system without having a base of operation. almost like a pvp/pve roam where opportunity for either one of those could come along.
Again the Bowhead, Orca and a carrier are all options and come to thin of it the DST's may serve well here.

* maybe a new type of long term PvE missions (perhaps you are employed/hired by npc corporations long term and you roam around finding jobs on the go and building up your resume, while staying in constant communication with local agents without having to dock, if necessary the agents will meet you out in space or near stargates to retreive cargo that they require)
Kind of an extension of the Cosmos agents idea. This one has some merit and would be worth a topic all to itself so we as a gaming community could explore the possibilities.

* being able to join epic PvE fleet fights to chip in with your dps, in fleet fights you are not forced to tank all the damage. atleast in a fleet fight there is a chance you wont get primaried.
Incursions are your outlet here. The problem I see with this is the same thing that happened to Incursions, in the beginning the idea was that a group of random players would gather to fight, instead we now have clearly defined "groups" that keep to themselves and can be extremely hard to get a fleet invite.

* The missions that you accept during your travels might have to depend on the type of ship you are currently flying. this is so that you can fly what you prefer to fly and be able to find missions that fits you.
You can already do this in current missions(sans burners). Many run missions in BS while others prefer T3 or HAC. Some fly missile ships, while others prefer drones or turret based weapons so how would this be made any different?

I will point out that this is not always true. It takes a while to skill up to the point where you can use fits that might be viable in PvE at all, for things like level 4 missions..

The argument of ISK per hour comes up a lot. It's not as true as some would make it out to be. Level 4's in highsec will net you a leisurely pace of 10-20 million ISK per hour. Level 3's might net you a couple million in the same time. Add in that you will lose your first few battleships running level 4s solo and newer guys really can't afford to use fits with more buffer and enough dps to make a PvP ship notice.

I'm sorry, but running missions in the right ships and the right fit, I make TICKS that are more than 10m.
The LP is pretty good too.
Shame mission loot sucks now except right after the introduction of a new meta-type of module, and then only for those modules.

if we are talking about creating rich pvp content in highsec, it probably involves interaction between capsuleers. Lets say you decide to join a pve encounter during your pvp roam, how would this increase interaction between capsuleers? well, first of all you are on your pvp roam as your foundation and therefor you are already equipped and mentally ready to hop on whatever fleet invite or pvp event that is going on, you are essentially in "ready mode" to support other FC's who are trying to organize events, in other words being "ready" and being "mobile and flexible" encourages you to have meaningful interaction. just my two cents