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[DED] On Popular Attitude Towards the DED's Actions

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2015-06-27 00:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
In light of recent events concerning the Directive Enforcement Division's actions, I must make this statement:

We do not know CONCORD's reasoning for having undertaken such aggressive action; they not only seem adversarial, but confrontational and demeaning as well. However, there must be a reason. Between the Amarr Navy's recent movement into Genesis and Commander Vesren's placing the Genesis fleet on high alert, I have begun to feel that something has been discovered or stumbled upon in Genesis; something which has prompted the Assembly, through Odo Korachi, brigadier general of the Genesis fleet, to demand the brain sample of Hilen Tukoss.

These actions seem rushed, if not "desperate" , on the Assembly's part: they need the Cerebral Slice.

I do not believe it is the right choice to outright condemn and oppose CONCORD on this issue; we know little-to-nothing of what their reasoning is for these actions. In order to prepare for and learn of whatever is to come of the Drifters, cooperation is key; should we splinter now, we stand no chance whatsoever, should the storm start. I maintain previous offers on agreements concerning collaborative research on what has been found; I will remain neutral, if not inclined to work alongside the Assembly in spirit of discovering there is to be known concerning the Drifter threat.

Regards,
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Cap'n Schmitty
#2 - 2015-06-27 00:26:30 UTC
I think we can all agree (the reasonable among us, at least) that what we really want is transparency - it's unfair that capsuleers have done all the leg work of exploring the Drifter systems and finding Tukoss' remains, and CONCORD then tries to take it all from us and reveal nothing. Really, in my view, the best option would be a joint investigation by both capsuleer and CONCORD specialists.

I propose that the tissue sample in question be kept in capsuleer hands (because honestly, I think Tukoss would have wanted us to learn as much as we can from it for the sake of the whole cluster), but CONCORD researchers may work in full collaboration with capsuleer scientists. The investigation should be 100% transparent, with all findings being released to both sides. That way CONCORD gets the research they want out of the sample, and we get the transparency being shouted for in Yulai at this very moment.

CONCORD's actions against the IKAME-led expedition members are doing nothing but driving us apart when we should be working together to counter the Drifter threat. If they are so desperate for the sample, surely they could bear a joint investigation rather than placing more than 100 PLEX on the scientists' heads.
Michael Pawlicki
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2015-06-27 00:49:35 UTC
Agreed. I'd prefer some cooperation, but the shadiness and severity of these actions are astounding. I do hope we get some answers.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2015-06-27 00:50:45 UTC
Transparency in this matter would go a long way. If, indeed there is a threat, capsuleers would be much more likely to cooperate if CONCORD were to share the details in the interest of interstellar security. Of course, it has to be noted that CONCORD has been fairly uninvolved in various threats such as the Sansha invasions and the potential Drifter threat.

Regardless of their need to acquire the sample, the threats and actions they are using to try and coerce Lucas Raholan are unjustifiable. Again regardless of the situation, not being as overly heavy-handed would go far to ensuring capsuleers compliance. CONCORD has brought this on themselves through their mishandling of the situation.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2015-06-27 01:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
If CONCORD truly cares for the security of the cluster, they must drop the charade along with the charges.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-06-27 01:37:36 UTC
You will get no explanations, no reasoning, no transparency.

As far as CONCORD is concerned, you are the help. Servants. Things to be manipulated and controlled.

Eventually, our collective governments will figure this out. Eventually, they will reaize they don't need CONCORD. Or eventually, our people will realize which politicians are in bed with CONCORD.

Until then?


Angels...are never far.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#7 - 2015-06-27 02:03:55 UTC
They want the remains, we want the information. Quid pro quo.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-06-27 02:23:12 UTC
I commend the reasoned approach.

I must protest the undue measure of tolerance, however. CONCORD may have its reasons for its desperate pursuit of the cerebral matter but strong-arming those individuals who happened to be diligent and proactive enough to acquire it, whom have been more than open with their research and findings and many of whom have attempted to cooperate to the fullest extent of their capabilities is a violation of liberty, a mockery of the spirit of justice and a blatant dismissal of principle.

It is my sincere hope that reason takes the day and both CONCORD and the individual(s) involved will be able to reach a mutually respectable and beneficial agreement. Until then, it is unconscionable that these events are allowed to proceed in this manner.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#9 - 2015-06-27 02:42:53 UTC
Sometimes I wonder if the frequenters of this channel know the meaning of "operational security".

I agree with you, that if CONCORD and the DED are this desperate to get ahold of the article of brain matter, then it must be due to some reason. And if they're willing to place bounties on the compatriots of the one who's taken the item in question, to the point of seemingly forcefully incentivizing the others to rat out this guy, then it must be quite important.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#10 - 2015-06-27 02:56:48 UTC
I am not sure how much more cooperation we could have given, sir. The DED observer was right there was I conducted the procedures, and had complete access to all of the material and work when I was studying the results. If they needed to know something about this material, they could have easily asked; if they needed to have it, they could have asked then, and we could have all dealt with this without resorting to ultimatums.

I don't understand any of this.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2015-06-27 03:02:34 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I am not sure how much more cooperation we could have given, sir. The DED observer was right there was I conducted the procedures, and had complete access to all of the material and work when I was studying the results. If they needed to know something about this material, they could have easily asked; if they needed to have it, they could have asked then, and we could have all dealt with this without resorting to ultimatums.

I don't understand any of this.

The only possibility that remains, in my mind, is that they discovered something related to the sample out in Genesis - something that they will try to prevent us from learning at all costs. Their distrust of Empyreans is... Inconvenient, but not unjustified in some cases. I only wish we could discover what they may have themselves found, if that's the case. Of course, there's little to no chance that they'll ever tell us.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#12 - 2015-06-27 05:48:17 UTC
Schere, from what I can see, it looks like the initial agreement with DED was to work alongside them for the investigation, then, afterwards, hand over the remains for burial.
Lucas decided that he was going to **** on that agreement.

Unfortunately, the rest of you have been caught in the fallout of his little hissy fit against CONCORD.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#13 - 2015-06-27 07:29:24 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I am not sure how much more cooperation we could have given, sir. The DED observer was right there was I conducted the procedures, and had complete access to all of the material and work when I was studying the results. If they needed to know something about this material, they could have easily asked; if they needed to have it, they could have asked then, and we could have all dealt with this without resorting to ultimatums.

I don't understand any of this.


Well, with any luck DED doesn't understand any of this either and you'll be set free and off to do... fun stuff... in good time!
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2015-06-27 09:37:10 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
You will get no explanations, no reasoning, no transparency.

As far as CONCORD is concerned, you are the help. Servants. Things to be manipulated and controlled.

Eventually, our collective governments will figure this out. Eventually, they will reaize they don't need CONCORD. Or eventually, our people will realize which politicians are in bed with CONCORD.

Until then?


Angels...are never far.


Please excuse me for asking so, lord Mokk, but you seem to complain about the concept of... servitude ?
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-06-27 20:19:22 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Schere, from what I can see, it looks like the initial agreement with DED was to work alongside them for the investigation, then, afterwards, hand over the remains for burial.
Lucas decided that he was going to **** on that agreement.

Unfortunately, the rest of you have been caught in the fallout of his little hissy fit against CONCORD.


I am not sure this is the case. There are several statements from CONCORD which beg questioning

Quote:
The Directive Enforcement Department has struck out at a group of capsuleers after their refusal to hand over remains believed to be that of former Zainou Biotech scientist Dr Hilen Tukoss for formal identification and burial.


Firstly, the DED were present during the initial biopsy of the brain. They had every opportunity to retrieve a sample for identification purposes, and i am positive that Lucas and the others would be happy to provide further DNA evidence to such effect.

Secondly, burial? You want to formally bury a piece of charred brain matter instead of testing it further? Lies. They obviously have something else planned for it, but refuse to disclose this information. There has been enough secrecy on these matters, and Capsuleers have been the ONLY entity that has shown any headway and honestly so far.

Quote:
INNER CIRCLE CONFIRMS EIFER AND CO WILL FACE NO FURTHER CHARGES RELATING TO TUKOS FOOTAGE


Finally, it is interesting how they quietly dismissed Eifer and Co. involvement here. No official statements, no further news, just a quiet Scope headline that was snuck in under the obviously more important new federation vessal.

CONCORD are manipulating every situation to their advantage, and I for one, am glad that Lucas Raholan is standing against them.


Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Matar Ronin
#16 - 2015-06-28 01:06:16 UTC
CONCORD can not be trusted. Perhaps they do not want anyone else to discover what the real mission of the Drifters or the Seekers is.

Why did a Drifter Armada show up in the slavery cult empire today where it was immediately attacked by capsuleer fanatics whom support the most evil regime in all of empire space?

Are we being manipulated into making the Drifters a new enemy before we can communicate with them?

Does CONCORD intend to let capsuleers fight this new "threat" alone like we fight the Sansha incursions?

We are being treated like hired help that has no voice or vote in how affairs are managed.

I repeat CONCORD can not be trusted.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#17 - 2015-06-28 20:18:34 UTC
Ugh, this reeks of conspiracy theorism.
I'm out.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Random Bacon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-06-29 11:58:43 UTC
I, for one, would welcome CONCORD misinformation. The fact that the silence is deafening is only going to serve to increase the hostility between CONCORD members and any malignant agents that are attempting to observe their future foes in New Eden.

This is only meaningful If CONCORD ever do anything, at all, in the interests of the New Eden cluster other than protect solar systems from cynosural fields. The previous comments are a notable indication of CONCORD tyranny. Albeit, due to our oversaturation of the actions recorded vs those unrecorded.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2015-06-29 12:00:26 UTC
I thought... a bit about this...

And while I am rather... shaken at the recent CONCORD directives...

I wonder why people are so quick to point at CONCORD every time ? Is it the perfect culprit ? Scapegoat ?

We have to remember that the issue surrounding Dr Tukoss arose initially when Eifyr got caught by The Scope using leaked information to release the video to the cluster at large.

A video, that was apparently at least 6 months old, if not a year.

Now then, CONCORD acted and interrogated the journalists that pointed at Eifyr.

We also should remember that Eifyr was Dr Tukoss employee. Maybe the question that should be asked is, why Eifyr kept the information to themselves for so long ? Why Eifyr, Tukoss employer, and also indirectly responsible of the Arek Jalaan project, chose to keep that information confidential ? Why CONCORD was left in the dark so that they had to resort to such measures in the first place ?

We complain that CONCORD is hiding information, while evidence could also show that they do not maybe know much more than we do...?

Please do not get me wrong... I feel a bit... betrayed by CONCORD with my position in SFRIM... And I do not really want to dwelve into conspiracy theories. Rather, I feel that a lot of people may be completely mistaking who to blame and what for, or mixing everything up...
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-07-02 09:17:48 UTC
I say any entity that comes after 20 seconds latest and shoots it's whole load in one go can NOT be trusted at all!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE