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Lack of Technology to Reduce Crew Size

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Trenmir Bedala
Bedala Salvage
#41 - 2015-06-26 15:27:31 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Solution: Crew your ships entirely with Minmatar slaves. Then you will not care how many of them die, because God is glorified in their destruction. Amen. Amarr Victor.


You a sad, strange, little man.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2015-06-26 19:16:27 UTC
Trenmir Bedala wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Solution: Crew your ships entirely with Minmatar slaves. Then you will not care how many of them die, because God is glorified in their destruction. Amen. Amarr Victor.


You a sad, strange, little man.

Yeah. He's ... um. Him.

Which doesn't seem to be a good thing for anybody concerned.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#43 - 2015-06-26 22:51:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Solution: Crew your ships entirely with Minmatar slaves. Then you will not care how many of them die, because God is glorified in their destruction. Amen. Amarr Victor.

Crew ships with failing Minmatar slaves and they will go down in flames like other Nauplius boats. I wouldn't be surprised if I see you in a rifter now!

No, for myself I prefer good ships and professional crews, so they can survive combat and make crews of my enemies to die instead.


It is true that my slaves are generally unskilled workers, useful for little more than turning a single wrench or lubricating the same valve over and over again. I compensate for this lack of skill by employing huge numbers of them, which has the desirable side effect of causing many slaves to die whenever I lose a ship.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2015-06-26 22:59:57 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
It is true that my slaves are generally unskilled workers, useful for little more than turning a single wrench or lubricating the same valve over and over again. I compensate for this lack of skill by employing huge numbers of them, which has the desirable side effect of causing many slaves to die whenever I lose a ship.


"Also, in case I didn't make myself clear before: Bwahahaha! Haha. Ha. Ha."
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#45 - 2015-06-26 23:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
I don't get it... Why would you use an untrained crew when you could use a trained crew to cause more casualties via other peoples ships? We all know what your going to do to your slaves which, as much as I don't like or most other sane people here would like, its what your going to do. But instead of reaching your destructive potential you hold yourself back so you can have other people do what you wish to do, unfortunately like I said most of us are desensitized to it since what other choice is there? Your logics a little flawed...
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2015-06-26 23:20:04 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I don't get it... Why would you use an untrained crew when you could use a trained crew to cause more casualties via other peoples ships? We all know what your going to do to your slaves which, as much as I don't like or most other sane people here would like, its what your going to do. But instead of reaching your destructive potential you hold yourself back so you can have other people do what you wish to do, unfortunately like I said most of us are desensitized to it since what other choice is there? Your logics a little flawed...

He can't be as sure about the ethnicity of other people's crews.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2015-06-26 23:23:39 UTC
Well, that makes sense.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#48 - 2015-06-26 23:58:58 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
I don't get it... Why would you use an untrained crew when you could use a trained crew to cause more casualties via other peoples ships? We all know what your going to do to your slaves which, as much as I don't like or most other sane people here would like, its what your going to do. But instead of reaching your destructive potential you hold yourself back so you can have other people do what you wish to do, unfortunately like I said most of us are desensitized to it since what other choice is there? Your logics a little flawed...

He can't be as sure about the ethnicity of other people's crews.

He's also not that smart.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-06-27 00:27:39 UTC
Nauplius wrote:

It is true that my slaves are generally unskilled workers, useful for little more than turning a single wrench or lubricating the same valve over and over again. I compensate for this lack of skill by employing huge numbers of them, which has the desirable side effect of causing many slaves to die whenever I lose a ship.

Quantity can't replace quality. Even several competent crewmembers on one battlestation can create mess, freedom, and decline of performance. And several incompetents?... That would be total management catastrophe.

And since your slaves are minmatars, who are also drugged, beaten, or whatever else done with, even brainless gallentish drones could be better replacement. As for myself, I won't let any minmatar or drone to touch any component on MY ships (except drone bay doors for my combat drones... and equivalent for minmatars - airlock).

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ollie Rundle
#50 - 2015-06-27 04:17:39 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
We publish in a number of papers and certainly have a fairly large body of work we've made public. I'd be happy to chat about it. Feel free to drop me a line sometime.


Could you provide links to or alternatively send me some of these papers, Scherezad? I've got some projects you and your research team might be well suited for, but I'll need to independently verify the rigor of your previous work before I know for certain.


Thank you dearly for the request, sir. You can find some of my more recent neurobiology work here: Hilen Tukoss Thin-plate Study.

We publish a great deal more. That one's just my more recent. I would have gone on to discuss the implications of the implant fragments, but we ran out of space, and the details were too technical for that publication.


Many thanks. I'll be in touch once I know I'm not wasting you or your team's time.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-06-27 05:08:11 UTC
I tend to reduce my crew complements not through technology but in realizing that unlike Naval vessels I don't require the same complement since I'm not usually required to run a vessel continuously for extended periods of time. Once you don't need a triple shift rota of crew to operate a vessel then you really don't need much people at all.

All the extra bunk room means more space for other things -- ammunition, booster charges, armour nanite resorvoirs, shield relays... anti-spalling mesh weaves, and so on.

And until technology reaches a point of complete infallibility then I think no amount of technology can replace a trained damage control team as that last point of redundancy during operation.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#52 - 2015-06-27 13:18:47 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nauplius wrote:

It is true that my slaves are generally unskilled workers, useful for little more than turning a single wrench or lubricating the same valve over and over again. I compensate for this lack of skill by employing huge numbers of them, which has the desirable side effect of causing many slaves to die whenever I lose a ship.

Quantity can't replace quality. Even several competent crewmembers on one battlestation can create mess, freedom, and decline of performance. And several incompetents?... That would be total management catastrophe.

And since your slaves are minmatars, who are also drugged, beaten, or whatever else done with, even brainless gallentish drones could be better replacement. As for myself, I won't let any minmatar or drone to touch any component on MY ships (except drone bay doors for my combat drones... and equivalent for minmatars - airlock).


Such overcrowding is why God gave his Chosen people the gift of Elite Slaves, slaves who are allowed only one cubic meter of space. O how I love whipping, beating, and kicking Minmatar Elite Slaves into the one cubic meter of space alotted to them.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2015-06-27 14:05:18 UTC
Perhaps the solution to the issue lies with the Drifters.

It seems to me that their battleship-class vessels are only crewed by one Drifter pilot. So perhaps withing those ships is a way to produce more powerful ships with no need for baseline human crew?

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Zvonof
COMMIE CORP PLEASE IGNORE
#54 - 2015-06-27 19:01:33 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Perhaps the solution to the issue lies with the Drifters.

It seems to me that their battleship-class vessels are only crewed by one Drifter pilot. So perhaps withing those ships is a way to produce more powerful ships with no need for baseline human crew?


Maybe. It's a matter of time until we start knowing more about the Drifters, especially after the recent conflict in Sarum Prime. Quite a few forces there were also killed -- but I doubt that's even close to a fourth of their armed force.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#55 - 2015-06-28 02:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
I did once met a Caldari pilot who employed a different approach to crews and drones, but alas, as he claimed he had no business disclosing this information to a Gallente. Which in itself was a rubbish excuse since I'm obviously not a potato. He did however provided plenty of descriptions while my cutesy looks fooled him!

Instead of a crew, he stripped every superflous system in his cruiser class ship, created an automonous mechanism that opperated the ship, and actually hardwired it to his limbic system and brainstem. In essence, he took capsule interfacing to the next level, to the point his brain was subconsciously maintaining those functions as if they were biological needs.

While he refused to enlight me on how he built the architecture of such a system, and I've spent countless work sessions trying to replicate his claims based on his description. So far, I haven't been able to replicate it...

Another footnote on my long research on this matter I'm afraid!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-06-28 03:47:19 UTC
Nauplius wrote:

Such overcrowding is why God gave his Chosen people the gift of Elite Slaves, slaves who are allowed only one cubic meter of space. O how I love whipping, beating, and kicking Minmatar Elite Slaves into the one cubic meter of space alotted to them.

Mr. Nauplius, average human body volume is only 0.1 cubic meter.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#57 - 2015-06-28 11:29:28 UTC
'average' .... maybe for those who, like yourself, have the body of a 12 year old achuran boy Diana.

actually, i don't even think you would fit in that.

however, to be clearer, perhaps, for some the internal volume of their body is less than 1 cubic metre, but that would require rendering the individual in question down to paste and placing them inside a container of the correct size.

if you weren't aware, people don't work that way.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-06-28 17:53:30 UTC
Please could we at least here avoid iyammarrok-grade stupidity... please?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#59 - 2015-06-29 06:11:41 UTC
Here's a challenge: Let's not reduce ourselves to childish bickering again. Or I will be forced to out bicker all of you in the most childish way possible.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-06-29 09:44:52 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Here's a challenge: Let's not reduce ourselves to childish bickering again. Or I will be forced to out bicker all of you in the most childish way possible.


Does that involve jumping up and down whilst stamping your feet? Because if you'll be doing that in that vest you're wearing I'd like to know when and where this will happen?