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[PRESS] Odo Korachi issues demands; IKAME petitions for assistance

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2015-06-26 19:20:56 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
John Revenent wrote:
You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD.

Even if the demands are within their mandate, the threats are not, and frankly, given CONCORD's recent continued actions, I don't think handing the samples over would be the right thing to do even if it is the legal thing to do.


Are they within their capabilities? That's more the question.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#62 - 2015-06-26 19:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Pilots may wish to be aware of CONCORD's recent release.

The idea that DED wishes to lay the man to rest as a matter of respect and dignity is laughable at best. Do they care in the slightest about the thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands of corpses that litter New Eden? Do they routinely offer rites on behalf of the dead? Trying to cast this matter as one of 'respect for the dead' is a crass, callous, and utterly transparent effort to play on public sentiment, and little reason to render four capsuleers outlaws when they had already met the spirit of CONCORD's request.

Were Eifyr & Co. or the relatives of the late Hilen Tukoss to request Tukoss's remains, then this would be another matter entirely.

As it stands, my respect for CONCORD as an institution lessens with each day.

More after I complete some consultations.

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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#63 - 2015-06-26 19:42:53 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD.

Those who call themselves Caldari Loyalists should push for the lawful transfer of Hilen Tukoss's remains: "The advice of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal is, after a discussion this morning, to encourage all those involved to comply with interstellar law, and bring this ridiculous situation to a close in line with the law."


As our representatives have stated many times during this discussion, the sample in question is not within IKAME's possession. If otherwise, CEP's call would have been in place but, as the situation stands, I would expect the Panel to push the other side to step down from their threats.

Decrypting the Sleeper cache..

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#64 - 2015-06-26 19:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Threatening IKAME and our members for things outside our control is most definitely out of line.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#65 - 2015-06-26 19:54:54 UTC
I highly recommend that the associated individuals adhere to CONCORD demands and turn over the biomass.

Should the individuals continue to refuse to cooperate, and should the corporations involved refuse to disassociate with their criminal members, I will be encouraging my alliance to reset relations. The Court Chamberlain has expressed solidarity with CONCORD in this matter. PIE will not maintain positive relations with those who act contrary to interstellar law.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#66 - 2015-06-26 20:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilts may wish to be aware of CONCORD's recent release.

The idea that DED wishes to lay the man to rest as a matter of respect and dignity is laughable at best. Do they care in the slightest about the thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands of corpses that litter New Eden? Do they routinely offer rites on behalf of the dead? Trying to cast this matter as one of 'respect for the dead' is a crass, callous, and utterly transparent effort to play on public sentiment, and little reason to render four capsuleers outlaws when they had already met the spirit of CONCORD's request.

Were Eifyr & Co. or the relatives of the late Hilen Tukoss to request Tukoss's remains, then this would be another matter entirely.

As it stands, my respect for CONCORD as an institution lessens with each day.

More after I complete some consultations.

A bounty for execution? A bounty? Come on, you fat butts, I will stand next to each of these people and assist them with everything I have. What's the price tag on my head, huh?! Let's go, you, lazy-ass "law enforcers"!

If you people still have dignity and at least a bit of self-respect, you will stand by their side and protect these people.
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#67 - 2015-06-26 20:25:40 UTC
H1de0 wrote:
As our representatives have stated many times during this discussion, the sample in question is not within IKAME's possession. If otherwise, CEP's call would have been in place but, as the situation stands, I would expect the Panel to push the other side to step down from their threats.


CEP and the Tribunal is taking a stance of neutrality on the matter. However they do support the seizure of the remains in question as the DED request adheres to terms of interstellar law. I lobbied for a decrease in measures to avoid 'collateral damage' it was denied.

In turn decorated members of my own organization will be designated as outlaws. One has already dutifully tendered their resignation because of this fiasco. We urge Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque to issue a release of the remains on behalf of Lord Lucas Raholan. If this is not possible Ishukone-Raata will be forced to echo the statements of our allies in Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2015-06-26 20:29:36 UTC
Lord Raholan should be ashamed of himself.

As well as CONCORD for bullying all the other ones in the process.

You all disgust me.
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-06-26 20:30:18 UTC
If you're giving them bounties, I want one too.

We're all equal in the scientific community!

Bring it, Korachi you ****.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#70 - 2015-06-26 20:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?

No one besides Raholan even has samples to turn over to CONCORD, by holding other people hostage, CONCORD has shown themselves to be unjust, and anyone who would similarly strike at not-at-fault persons are similarly unjust.

Were this JUST sanctions against Lucas Raholan, that would be a different matter, but they are threatening a great number of people with very harsh penalties; and rather than striking at your own members and allies, you should be showing solidarity with them.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#71 - 2015-06-26 20:35:41 UTC

In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this.

But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it.

You will find me hard to break, General.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2015-06-26 20:37:39 UTC
So CONCORD are laying claim to Hilen Tukoss' remains under Article 8 Section B (2a) I assume as I thought Hilen was effectively stateless after he was kicked out by the Caldari bunch he worked for?

If that is the case why are his remains a matter of security? Yet CONCORD stand by and watch Drifters take capsuleer corpses wherever they can get their grubby little tractor beams on them. I guess it is because the investigation remains open into his death?

Trying to dress this up as respect for his remains whilst placing a bounty on scientists who are trying to understand exactly what happened and why is laughable. No capsuleer sees a corpse as anything more than biomass since that's exactly what it was built from in the first place. We destroyed our true bodies when we became capsuleers! Any clone we use now is a self mobile coptic jar to all intents and purposes.

CONCORD need to think carefully about their actions here. Antagonizing the capsuleer community is really not a good idea. It would be far better to co-operate with and benefit from the expertise being applied to this issue rather than apply punitive measures against those trying to assist them.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#73 - 2015-06-26 20:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Maxwell
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Amendment: No Crimson Serpent Syndicate employee will assist in any way with the collection of bounties on Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. specifically. Those not of that corporation do not fall under the same protection.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2015-06-26 20:43:45 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this.

But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it.

You will find me hard to break, General.


You can always sleep on the couch, Scherezad-suuolo. We have little use for Concord, since they meddled in sovereign State affairs and tarnish our security status for simply doing our jobs.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#75 - 2015-06-26 20:45:05 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this.

But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it.

You will find me hard to break, General.


And she's not alone.

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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#76 - 2015-06-26 20:45:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Given the recent release from the DED I would implore all parties involved, right or wrong to release the body to CONCORD. At this time I think it would be best to think of your employee's and crewmen, do not risk anymore lives over this when we can pursue all form of legal appeal after turning over Dr. Tukoss' remains.

Sincerely
K. Amsel
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#77 - 2015-06-26 20:49:15 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Given the recent release from the DED I would implore all parties involved, right or wrong to release the body to CONCORD. At this time I think it would be best to think of your employee's and crewmen, do not risk anymore lives over this when we can pursue all form of legal appeal after turning over Dr. Tukoss' remains.

Sincerely
K. Amsel

That's exactly what people wanted and all they got was a price tag on their head. Well shame, CONCORD, we can stand our ground!
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#78 - 2015-06-26 20:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
Xindi Kraid wrote:
So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?


We are cooperating with CONCORD and the DED lawful requests. Capsuleers are in no position to dictate terms to the CONCORD assembly.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#79 - 2015-06-26 20:53:53 UTC
Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.

I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.

-K
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#80 - 2015-06-26 20:56:41 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?

No one besides Raholan even has samples to turn over to CONCORD, by holding other people hostage, CONCORD has shown themselves to be unjust, and anyone who would similarly strike at not-at-fault persons are similarly unjust.

Were this JUST sanctions against Lucas Raholan, that would be a different matter, but they are threatening a great number of people with very harsh penalties; and rather than striking at your own members and allies, you should be showing solidarity with them.


Whether or not they are unjust is irrelevant. The only variable that determines PIE's stance is Amarr's stance, and the Court Chamberlain has made Amarr's stance clear. Perhaps some people place value in rioting against authority, but PIE does not. Order demands compliance with lawful authority, regardless of whatever personal reservations one may have with that authority.

House Raholan stands to lose its titles and land and their lord be declared a criminal by Imperial authorities. Should SFRIM continue to stand by Lucas Raholan, they will be demonstrating support for his actions. PIE will not have our own name dragged through the mud as a result of the scandalous activities of our affiliates. They either sever their support of anti-authoritarian activities or it is very likely that we sever our support of them. This should not be surprising.

"But guilt by association!" you will say. Well, yes. One's character is indeed determined by the company they keep.