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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2015-06-19 15:22:59 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

In war if you want to hurt your enemy you destroy the assets that are the hardest for them to replace. 100 ships and the crew that does not make it to escape pods in time is an asset lost to the slavery cult, a capsuleer simply re-clones and comes back.

The universe does not revolve around we capsuleers, yes we are powerful players in this ongoing cycle of warfare, but we are a minute percentage of the population.

You go ahead and bask in the glory of killing ... or more accurately defined, sending an opponent to re-clone, if kill mails get you off, I'll fight for the freedom of the Matari People against their wicked oppressors in ways that inflict permanent damage.

If you can not fathom the difference between those choices it is a reflection of your limited capacity to comprehend fighting to gain laurels for yourself and fighting to win for a cause that is just.


The Empire has thousands of worlds. Their worlds are amongst the most densely populated in New Eden and they have enormous resource gathering operations. You could spend your whole life, every minute of every hour of every day, attacking their cheap, third line, baseliner ships and not even cut into their rate of production. What you're doing is acting like a wolf and culling their herds of the sick, weak and old.

When you kill a capsuleer ship, you're removing a front-line, top-flight, cutting edge and state of the art vessel from service and you're killing the best crews that money can buy. And that's without even considering how many of the crews in these third-line, broken down, provincial defense fleet ships are actually Matari slaves...

Of course, you aren't really looking for logic or numbers are you? You're just interested in wallowing in blood - not much different between yourself and Nauplius, in some ways.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Matar Ronin
#42 - 2015-06-19 17:50:21 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:

In war if you want to hurt your enemy you destroy the assets that are the hardest for them to replace. 100 ships and the crew that does not make it to escape pods in time is an asset lost to the slavery cult, a capsuleer simply re-clones and comes back.

The universe does not revolve around we capsuleers, yes we are powerful players in this ongoing cycle of warfare, but we are a minute percentage of the population.

You go ahead and bask in the glory of killing ... or more accurately defined, sending an opponent to re-clone, if kill mails get you off, I'll fight for the freedom of the Matari People against their wicked oppressors in ways that inflict permanent damage.

If you can not fathom the difference between those choices it is a reflection of your limited capacity to comprehend fighting to gain laurels for yourself and fighting to win for a cause that is just.


The Empire has thousands of worlds. Their worlds are amongst the most densely populated in New Eden and they have enormous resource gathering operations. You could spend your whole life, every minute of every hour of every day, attacking their cheap, third line, baseliner ships and not even cut into their rate of production. What you're doing is acting like a wolf and culling their herds of the sick, weak and old.

When you kill a capsuleer ship, you're removing a front-line, top-flight, cutting edge and state of the art vessel from service and you're killing the best crews that money can buy. And that's without even considering how many of the crews in these third-line, broken down, provincial defense fleet ships are actually Matari slaves...

Of course, you aren't really looking for logic or numbers are you? You're just interested in wallowing in blood - not much different between yourself and Nauplius, in some ways.

Pilot Tuulinen I find it interesting that the most wicked personal insult most fling about here on IGS is a comparison to Either Naupilus or Kim. An amarrian and a Caldari. I guess it speaks volumes towards the cultures that spawned them.

Baseliner ships conduct the vast bulk of commerce between the heavily populated worlds of the cluster. It takes a baseliner pilot years to grow old enough to become a pilot, and mere moments for me to end his war effectiveness. You could spend all day every day for the next millennium sending a single capsuleer pilot to re-clone after destroying him in combat and all you would have achieved would be the destruction of his ships and the deaths of his crews. Arguably you might even make him more dangerous as he learns and improves after every encounter with you a better combat pilot, so your actions could be interpreted as training your opponent to be more effective against your own interests.

Calling baseliner vessels third rate is inaccurate they carry the same weapons and power systems as do our capsuleer ships, it is the capsuleer pilot that makes the difference. Pilot Tuulinen that is a fact you should know. You fight for pay for the slavery cultists and you think their Navy flies broken down third rate ships?

I understand you are trying to insult me, but I always expect your insults to be fact based and not just emotional outbursts, you can do better than that.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#43 - 2015-06-19 18:54:00 UTC
by His Light and His Will! Moonfyre Science and Research Inc. is standing tall among the soldiers of our Beloved Empress Jamyl I and of the Empire!
Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2015-06-19 19:08:12 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:

In war if you want to hurt your enemy you destroy the assets that are the hardest for them to replace. 100 ships and the crew that does not make it to escape pods in time is an asset lost to the slavery cult, a capsuleer simply re-clones and comes back.

The universe does not revolve around we capsuleers, yes we are powerful players in this ongoing cycle of warfare, but we are a minute percentage of the population.

You go ahead and bask in the glory of killing ... or more accurately defined, sending an opponent to re-clone, if kill mails get you off, I'll fight for the freedom of the Matari People against their wicked oppressors in ways that inflict permanent damage.

If you can not fathom the difference between those choices it is a reflection of your limited capacity to comprehend fighting to gain laurels for yourself and fighting to win for a cause that is just.


The Empire has thousands of worlds. Their worlds are amongst the most densely populated in New Eden and they have enormous resource gathering operations. You could spend your whole life, every minute of every hour of every day, attacking their cheap, third line, baseliner ships and not even cut into their rate of production. What you're doing is acting like a wolf and culling their herds of the sick, weak and old.

When you kill a capsuleer ship, you're removing a front-line, top-flight, cutting edge and state of the art vessel from service and you're killing the best crews that money can buy. And that's without even considering how many of the crews in these third-line, broken down, provincial defense fleet ships are actually Matari slaves...

Of course, you aren't really looking for logic or numbers are you? You're just interested in wallowing in blood - not much different between yourself and Nauplius, in some ways.

Pilot Tuulinen I find it interesting that the most wicked personal insult most fling about here on IGS is a comparison to Either Naupilus or Kim. An amarrian and a Caldari. I guess it speaks volumes towards the cultures that spawned them.

Baseliner ships conduct the vast bulk of commerce between the heavily populated worlds of the cluster. It takes a baseliner pilot years to grow old enough to become a pilot, and mere moments for me to end his war effectiveness. You could spend all day every day for the next millennium sending a single capsuleer pilot to re-clone after destroying him in combat and all you would have achieved would be the destruction of his ships and the deaths of his crews. Arguably you might even make him more dangerous as he learns and improves after every encounter with you a better combat pilot, so your actions could be interpreted as training your opponent to be more effective against your own interests.

Calling baseliner vessels third rate is inaccurate they carry the same weapons and power systems as do our capsuleer ships, it is the capsuleer pilot that makes the difference. Pilot Tuulinen that is a fact you should know. You fight for pay for the slavery cultists and you think their Navy flies broken down third rate ships?

I understand you are trying to insult me, but I always expect your insults to be fact based and not just emotional outbursts, you can do better than that.


Nauplius is Khanid. Let's be fact-based.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2015-06-19 21:26:57 UTC
Johanes Beaumonte wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:

In war if you want to hurt your enemy you destroy the assets that are the hardest for them to replace. 100 ships and the crew that does not make it to escape pods in time is an asset lost to the slavery cult, a capsuleer simply re-clones and comes back.

The universe does not revolve around we capsuleers, yes we are powerful players in this ongoing cycle of warfare, but we are a minute percentage of the population.

You go ahead and bask in the glory of killing ... or more accurately defined, sending an opponent to re-clone, if kill mails get you off, I'll fight for the freedom of the Matari People against their wicked oppressors in ways that inflict permanent damage.

If you can not fathom the difference between those choices it is a reflection of your limited capacity to comprehend fighting to gain laurels for yourself and fighting to win for a cause that is just.


The Empire has thousands of worlds. Their worlds are amongst the most densely populated in New Eden and they have enormous resource gathering operations. You could spend your whole life, every minute of every hour of every day, attacking their cheap, third line, baseliner ships and not even cut into their rate of production. What you're doing is acting like a wolf and culling their herds of the sick, weak and old.

When you kill a capsuleer ship, you're removing a front-line, top-flight, cutting edge and state of the art vessel from service and you're killing the best crews that money can buy. And that's without even considering how many of the crews in these third-line, broken down, provincial defense fleet ships are actually Matari slaves...

Of course, you aren't really looking for logic or numbers are you? You're just interested in wallowing in blood - not much different between yourself and Nauplius, in some ways.

Pilot Tuulinen I find it interesting that the most wicked personal insult most fling about here on IGS is a comparison to Either Naupilus or Kim. An amarrian and a Caldari. I guess it speaks volumes towards the cultures that spawned them.

Baseliner ships conduct the vast bulk of commerce between the heavily populated worlds of the cluster. It takes a baseliner pilot years to grow old enough to become a pilot, and mere moments for me to end his war effectiveness. You could spend all day every day for the next millennium sending a single capsuleer pilot to re-clone after destroying him in combat and all you would have achieved would be the destruction of his ships and the deaths of his crews. Arguably you might even make him more dangerous as he learns and improves after every encounter with you a better combat pilot, so your actions could be interpreted as training your opponent to be more effective against your own interests.

Calling baseliner vessels third rate is inaccurate they carry the same weapons and power systems as do our capsuleer ships, it is the capsuleer pilot that makes the difference. Pilot Tuulinen that is a fact you should know. You fight for pay for the slavery cultists and you think their Navy flies broken down third rate ships?

I understand you are trying to insult me, but I always expect your insults to be fact based and not just emotional outbursts, you can do better than that.


Nauplius is Khanid. Let's be fact-based.




Khanids are Amarrian too.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2015-06-20 01:38:22 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:


You should hope and pray that the Empire can stand up to the Drifters. Because if we can't, no one can.



I have complete faith that the Empire can stand up to the threat poised by the Drifters.

My concern is can the Empire stand up to the threat of the Drifters, and the Matari and the Federation, and Sansha's Nation, and the Bloodraiders and the bloody Rogue Drones and countless other enemies spread throughout the galaxy?

The Khanid and the Caldari are pretty much the only real political and military allies the Empire has. And they're not permanent alliances by any means.

I've seen some holos of today's events in the Amarr home system. Once again I see the Empire as it is today and CONCORD utterly fail to protect innocent life in the Heart of the Empire.

The time for hope and prayers is past.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2015-06-20 05:56:07 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pilot Tuulinen I find it interesting that the most wicked personal insult most fling about here on IGS is a comparison to Either Naupilus or Kim. An amarrian and a Caldari. I guess it speaks volumes towards the cultures that spawned them.


Actually I find it more telling that your largest issue with Commander Kim and the self-anointed Prophet Nauplius are their ethnicity.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#48 - 2015-06-20 18:10:09 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:


You should hope and pray that the Empire can stand up to the Drifters. Because if we can't, no one can.



I have complete faith that the Empire can stand up to the threat poised by the Drifters.

My concern is can the Empire stand up to the threat of the Drifters, and the Matari and the Federation, and Sansha's Nation, and the Bloodraiders and the bloody Rogue Drones and countless other enemies spread throughout the galaxy?

The Khanid and the Caldari are pretty much the only real political and military allies the Empire has. And they're not permanent alliances by any means.

I've seen some holos of today's events in the Amarr home system. Once again I see the Empire as it is today and CONCORD utterly fail to protect innocent life in the Heart of the Empire.

The time for hope and prayers is past.



Don't forget the Ammatar.
Matar Ronin
#49 - 2015-06-21 14:40:47 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pilot Tuulinen I find it interesting that the most wicked personal insult most fling about here on IGS is a comparison to Either Naupilus or Kim. An amarrian and a Caldari. I guess it speaks volumes towards the cultures that spawned them.


Actually I find it more telling that your largest issue with Commander Kim and the self-anointed Prophet Nauplius are their ethnicity.
Pilot Tuulinen perhaps you are responding to your own thoughts and not my words. I made no reference to their ethnicity, I made comments about their nationality and the cultures that produced them.

Human history is replete with horrific cultures and the terrible themes they enact. It is possible to speak of the atrocities of cultures without condemning the ethnicity of the participants.

I expected more from you besides trying to ineptly play a race card against me.

For the record I believe there is one dominant race in the cluster, the human race, all created equal with the same potential and same flaws regardless of their ethnicity or nationality, and scientific data without legitimate dispute backs me up completely in this conclusion.

When it comes to the Jove or the Sansha, I am admittedly less sure if we can still count them as human. One is perhaps fully or headed towards being fully cyborg with just a base of human structure underneath as a point of origin, and the other we do not have enough scientific data to properly classify.

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‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jev North
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-06-21 14:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pilot Tuulinen perhaps you are responding to your own thoughts and not my words. I made no reference to their ethnicity, I made comments about their nationality and the cultures that produced them.

Ethnicity, n.: the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

It's a very common trait in baby capsuleers, but I find it absolutely endearing how you speak highly of the value of human life and our shared commonalities, yet brag about killing of thousands of Amarr servicemen whose greatest crime was joining up with the armed forces of the nation they grew up in elsewhere.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Matar Ronin
#51 - 2015-06-21 15:16:16 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pilot Tuulinen perhaps you are responding to your own thoughts and not my words. I made no reference to their ethnicity, I made comments about their nationality and the cultures that produced them.

Ethnicity, n.: the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

It's a very common trait in baby capsuleers, but I find it absolutely endearing how you speak highly of the value of human life and our shared commonalities, yet brag about killing of thousands of Amarr servicemen whose greatest crime was joining up with the armed forces of the nation they grew up in elsewhere.
Pilot North first thank you for the correction. I have been using only part of the definition of ethnicity in my thinking and that is inaccurate on my part.

As far as being a baby capsuleer and bragging about killing humans I have clearly stated that the price it exacts against my humanity by killing the enemies of the Matari People is a debt I am willing to incur until abolition and a just peace is achieved.

Joining the armed forces is by definition a dangerous free choice, the crime is joining to support a regime that enslaves others, if you can find a way to differentiate those facts please inform me of it. It appears that their only crime was to help prosecute a war against my people and not those paying you, naturally we might view their status differently.

I must admit I find it amusing that many capsuleers revel in the destruction of one another and look down their noses to capsuleers who do not wish to be "elite hired killers" for no cause other than isk or kill mails.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jev North
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-06-21 16:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
I'm not really interested in a debate about the relative merits of fighting in a mildly overgrown bloodsport versus ideologically-driven serial mass murder. I'll just say I'm happy, these days, that my real inflicted casualty-per-week count has gone down by two orders of magnitude.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2015-06-22 15:32:21 UTC
Ideologically driven or ideologically rationalised, Jevvles?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jev North
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-06-22 17:30:24 UTC
I find it exceedingly hard to tell where the one begins and the other ends, or which end is the more sad.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2015-06-22 17:38:01 UTC
Jev North wrote:
I find it exceedingly hard to tell where the one begins and the other ends, or which end is the more sad.


I suppose some men just want to watch a world burn.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#56 - 2015-06-22 17:50:17 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pilot Tuulinen perhaps you are responding to your own thoughts and not my words. I made no reference to their ethnicity, I made comments about their nationality and the cultures that produced them.

Ethnicity, n.: the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

It's a very common trait in baby capsuleers, but I find it absolutely endearing how you speak highly of the value of human life and our shared commonalities, yet brag about killing of thousands of Amarr servicemen whose greatest crime was joining up with the armed forces of the nation they grew up in elsewhere.
Pilot North first thank you for the correction. I have been using only part of the definition of ethnicity in my thinking and that is inaccurate on my part.

As far as being a baby capsuleer and bragging about killing humans I have clearly stated that the price it exacts against my humanity by killing the enemies of the Matari People is a debt I am willing to incur until abolition and a just peace is achieved


And all you have to do to not incure that debt is to stop fighting. I'm not going to invade you and it would be vastly easier to convince the others not to if you would only accept for a micro second abolition can't happen all at once.

Even if both sides shook hands and made up the process of education, logistics and economic balanced will take decades. If this attitude of 'welp, just free them and let the chips fall where they may' continues its never going to happen. We'd be damning us, you and them, morally, spiritually and financially.

And before you and yours starts spitting coals about "well you invaded first" you want your people back? Or do you want vengeance? You can't have both.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2015-06-22 19:18:15 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Johanes Beaumonte wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:

In war if you want to hurt your enemy you destroy the assets that are the hardest for them to replace. 100 ships and the crew that does not make it to escape pods in time is an asset lost to the slavery cult, a capsuleer simply re-clones and comes back.

The universe does not revolve around we capsuleers, yes we are powerful players in this ongoing cycle of warfare, but we are a minute percentage of the population.

You go ahead and bask in the glory of killing ... or more accurately defined, sending an opponent to re-clone, if kill mails get you off, I'll fight for the freedom of the Matari People against their wicked oppressors in ways that inflict permanent damage.

If you can not fathom the difference between those choices it is a reflection of your limited capacity to comprehend fighting to gain laurels for yourself and fighting to win for a cause that is just.


The Empire has thousands of worlds. Their worlds are amongst the most densely populated in New Eden and they have enormous resource gathering operations. You could spend your whole life, every minute of every hour of every day, attacking their cheap, third line, baseliner ships and not even cut into their rate of production. What you're doing is acting like a wolf and culling their herds of the sick, weak and old.

When you kill a capsuleer ship, you're removing a front-line, top-flight, cutting edge and state of the art vessel from service and you're killing the best crews that money can buy. And that's without even considering how many of the crews in these third-line, broken down, provincial defense fleet ships are actually Matari slaves...

Of course, you aren't really looking for logic or numbers are you? You're just interested in wallowing in blood - not much different between yourself and Nauplius, in some ways.

Pilot Tuulinen I find it interesting that the most wicked personal insult most fling about here on IGS is a comparison to Either Naupilus or Kim. An amarrian and a Caldari. I guess it speaks volumes towards the cultures that spawned them.

Baseliner ships conduct the vast bulk of commerce between the heavily populated worlds of the cluster. It takes a baseliner pilot years to grow old enough to become a pilot, and mere moments for me to end his war effectiveness. You could spend all day every day for the next millennium sending a single capsuleer pilot to re-clone after destroying him in combat and all you would have achieved would be the destruction of his ships and the deaths of his crews. Arguably you might even make him more dangerous as he learns and improves after every encounter with you a better combat pilot, so your actions could be interpreted as training your opponent to be more effective against your own interests.

Calling baseliner vessels third rate is inaccurate they carry the same weapons and power systems as do our capsuleer ships, it is the capsuleer pilot that makes the difference. Pilot Tuulinen that is a fact you should know. You fight for pay for the slavery cultists and you think their Navy flies broken down third rate ships?

I understand you are trying to insult me, but I always expect your insults to be fact based and not just emotional outbursts, you can do better than that.


Nauplius is Khanid. Let's be fact-based.




Khanids are Amarrian too.


Nauplius is no Amarrian. If his name hasn't been struck from the book of records, it oughta be.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#58 - 2015-06-24 16:50:22 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


The time for hope and prayers is past.




Amen. Amen.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Kalo Askold
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-06-25 20:22:40 UTC
You can tell how close to failure an organization is when they think showing the 'Bear' their country folk in chains and maybe drugged will demoralize them....I swear you would think after years upon years the Amarr would learn to not poke the bee hive that is the Gallente. They already lost the Matari, and another war wouldn't suit them at the moment.

If you are going to go after the Gallente, keeping them bored and not galvanized is the best way...not whatever gold colored sh-- show that was.
Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#60 - 2015-06-29 10:26:19 UTC
Kalo Askold wrote:
You can tell how close to failure an organization is when they think showing the 'Bear' their country folk in chains and maybe drugged will demoralize them....I swear you would think after years upon years the Amarr would learn to not poke the bee hive that is the Gallente. They already lost the Matari, and another war wouldn't suit them at the moment.

If you are going to go after the Gallente, keeping them bored and not galvanized is the best way...not whatever gold colored sh-- show that was.


The only thing allowing Gallente citizens to keep their freedom of immorality is the fact that your leadership doesn't act on its principles and engage the Amarr openly. For doing so would certainly bring about your societies destruction and rebirth under the Amarr flag.

We opposed the drifters. What have you done save equip a few rebels with weapons and then subsequently abandon and marginalize them?

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex