EVE General Discussion

How long will this rant go on for?

PVER's should tank and protect their **** a lot more.

PVPER's should accept PVE is a play-style.

Everybody wins. Shake hands...do anything but keep beating this poor horse to death.

CCP lock this please.

No, no, no. The best course is to get CCP to do their work for them. Nothing like rewarding the lazy and unimaginative.

I am still following this thread, I've just not posted anything because I didn't feel I had anything of value to add to the recent discussion of the past few pages.

It's been insightful reading and getting into someone else's viewpoint and play-style of the same game and over the past 22 pages (and yes, I did read everything!) I've learnt more than I have since my entire time on EVE.
I've had a few people PM me with addition support and offers which I'm very grateful for. Hell, even my feelings from the random rage troll posts mid way through the tread went from exasperation to amusement in the end.

Personally I feel this thread has come to a natural close but I'd also like to thank everyone one last time who has contributed and offered their support and guidance.

I have a Rifter now with a wicked fit I found on Battleclinic and I'm not afraid to use it if I knew how.

See you on the other side.

Kind regards
Finn McCoul

o7

They can do basically nothing about it, if you execute the maneuver correctly. Ditto with double webbing the freighter into warp, you are on grid for all of about four seconds if you do it right, if they can spot, lock, align and bump you in that time, then they're Spiderman.

Why should we have to adapt to a proposed change? That doesn't make any sense. I propose the removal of Concord from the game. You don't like that? Adapt or die.

That's an extreme example, but I hope I've made my point.

Of course we troll changes like ONLY attack us, why wouldn't we? When we see changes that would affect us, but would be genuinely good for the game (like changes to sec status effects, war dec changes, kill right changes, bounty changes etc) we'll mock if we feel the proposals are bad, but we'll generally contribute to the conversation in a much more productive way.

In effect, the amount of trolling we produce is inversely proportional to the quality of the proposal.

o7m8 see you in space.

You guys can do whatever you want lol. I don't mind having your kind around

I don't mind ganking (the practice of massive dps to destroy a target, irrespective of the security in the system). It's totally acceptable, even by CCP.

But gank's like these (see OP) entirely hinge on the ability of the aggressor at bumping the target.
Avoiding or missing that crucial point, makes your argument entirely irrelevant, because bumping is an exploit.

Why is it an exploit? Because the aggressor can stop the target from warping-out without having to aggress the target. Thus although the aggressor has engaged the target with hostile intentions, CONCORD intervention is yet to be initiated. Thus the aggressor has much more time to set up a successful gank that would be otherwise impossible against smaller ships.

There are ways for the target to reduce the effects of bumping, such as webbing your own ship. But frankly they are still not as effective as bumping and the aggressors can disengage at any time, with no penalty.

To put it simply, bumping can be a lot of reward for almost zero risk.

I think people who argue for bumping either don't understand the above concept or are in favor of bumping because its in their interests.

Have you ever considered waiting until you know what you're talking about before you post?

Bumping is not an exploit - CCP said so. I've lost track of the number of times people like Baltec1 have explained how to get a bump-tackled freighter away to safety, and webbing a freighter into warp is > 99% effective.

Can someone close this ******* rant, goddammit.