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1. What about catching OGB?
2. How does this address the problem brought up in the wormhole soundcloud about the tight timing of catching PvE fleets? The same is true for my hunting style in null.

In both examples you need to get either a fleet or fast tackle onto a probe result very quickly. I understand this is not desirable for large fleets but why is this a problem for small fleets in these scenarios?

What about CPU requirement of Expanded Probe launchers?

Wow, that sounds like an incredibly cool role bonus, best gameplay suggestion I've heard all year, although I think to keep it simple it should be a fixed radius when using afterburners and another fixed radius when using microwarpdrives. Perhaps 5000m for afterburners, 15000m for MWD.

EDIT: Ah, but to maintain the status quo on mwd/cloak tactics, this probably shouldn't apply to a cycle started during the cloak fade time or a cycle started before cloaking. On the other hand maybe breaking that for covops would be an acceptable tradeoff.

First, legitimate thank you to CCP for considering any change to their plans at all as a result of player feedback. I'm a bit surprised.

Unfortunately this still does not make the proposed changes acceptable for me. You still can't warp to probe results(squad style or broadcast) and you still can't warp to bookmarks without waiting for whatever duration delay they are talking about adding on top of propagation time. Any delay more than the current system makes landing a target much more of an unlikely proposition.

I'd be willing to adapt to the new style of play, but there is one thing that bothers me: CCP has now openly stated that they want to specifically nerf/remove the style of EVE play that I use. I fly in a very small gang with many sets of probes and we land on targets with usually single digit seconds to spare. This change will reduce and remove fights that I am currently getting when it goes live. CCP is intentionally driving this game to be one that makes initiating a fight with tackle landed on the enemy fleet much harder. Without tackle kills will simply not happen as often unless you are in a sniper fleet or something. I guess I'll take this not so subtle hint from CCP that EVE is no longer the game for me.

If/when these changes are reverted/canceled then I'll probably be back. Until then I suppose I'll go do something useful with my new-found free time.

Pretty much sums it up for me. It is frustrating. Leave my gameplay alone.

The changes are still completely game breaking for my style of gameplay (which is very engaging for my small gang of pilots, not F1 jockeys). The changes you are making will only make it harder to get in to fights while having no impact on a ship/fleet's ability to get out of a fight. This will decrease the amount of ship explosions in the game.

The reason that fleet meta evolved to 'close range only' is that fights against ships that aren't tackled is a complete waste of time. They can simply warp off when things aren't going their way. Lame. This change encourages fights where ships simply warp away before blowing up.

You are creating a system where ships that do not wish to fight will be very easily capable of evading combat situations, virtually eliminating piracy in the game. If they just go to tacs over gates all the time, it will be impossible to get the fleet to them before they warp again. If they go to safe spots to evade gate camps, it will be impossible for the prober to get tackle ships to the probe results before it warps again.

I have been conducting extensive piracy in HED-GP for about a year. I can assure you that the windows of opportunity to be in the right place at the right time to achieve tackle before it MWDs away or warps off is 3-8 seconds are extremely narrow, and that's with fast-locking, fast-warping frigates. We miss tackle on about 60% of the ships we warp to (entering warp to the bubble they will be stopped in while the target itself is also in warp). That's how narrow the time margin is. We have to predict where they are warping and meet them there. We can't wait to see where they go. Introducing delays of any kind to the fleet mobility ends piracy.

Too much chasing, kiting, sniping, and running around. Not enough Pew Pew.

As for using probers as tackle, I will not be using 3 billion isk worth of Virtue implanted, faction-fit scanner ship with barely 1,000 ehp to tackle a T3 'unscannable' booster for a killmail of maybe 300-700 million. The risk isn't worth the reward.

As stated in my previous comment on the other thread, I will be allowing all of my accounts to lapse, because this change takes away the play-style that I enjoy about this game.

Another change due to an OP setup that doesn't actually change the OP setup... Great Job -battin a 1000! Jump Range was fine, jumping 5x in a row without delay wasn't fine... Meh.

Set Tengu magnetic Infusion Basin 20% optimal per level to 10%.
Heavier stacking penalty for ECCM so strength is not such that you get immunity with impunity.

You have not solved the ISHTARD issue despite changes to the Ishtard and Sentries

Add "Sentry Hardpoints" so Rattlesnake, Domi, Geddon, Prophecy, Phoon don't have to be sitting ducks but can move taking their sentries with them but now have to think of them as turrets with tracking and eat a little cap to keep them hovering over the shields. Take 30 seconds to recall. Could be good. Neuting/Cap-Out and sentries would detach and sit, but still be controllable.

We're figuring out how use Drifter tech to broadcast our brainwaves to shut down station services -how tough to figure out how to get sentries to do what their guns do?

Other snipers just got their jobs back so EVE isn't just "Capitals and Tengus and Ishtars, OnLine!"... say it like "Lions and Tigers and Bears, O My!"

If you could broadcast a probe result as a warp to that will help the WH community alot.

Currently we we use fleet warps to

- Catch site runners at signatures.
Eg combat probe, then fleet/squad warp a sabre on top of the result. Without fleetwarp or a warpto broadcast the site runners will escape 90% of the time if they are actively dscaning. Because by the time u land ur cov-ops on grid at the site and then get a sabre to warp to it, the site runners have seen the probes or the new wh sig you came from and are gone.

We just need the ability to get a sabre or other ship with some reasonable tackle ability on grid quickly. This is not about getting the blob there its just about getting the intial tackle.

I'd like to point out that for operating mining operations in null sec, the strategy usually consists on FLEET WARPING everyone EXACTLY to a POS bookmark, or a fast-dock to station bookmark

Seriously, do you want miners to become even more defenseless? their only option to avoid harm is to get safe as soon as possible, granted that their ability to substain a fight is NONE. I'd gladly substain a small gang fight with my mining ships if ONLY they were capable of it, but they're mere sitting ducks pecking at roids, preys. Like gazelles, they're only chance of survival is warping off. You're going to literally kill thousands of accounts if a mining fleet, be it made of a multiboxer or multi-players, won't be able to get the hell out of harm way as fast as they can now. Do you really want a single real player having to sit in an Orca all the time (we're talking about hours) of a mining op just because fleet warp won't warp that ship to safety anymore? Do you realize he could only do that because this change will kill multiboxing?
Do you realize consequences of this change from the perspective of non-pvpers?
Do you realize that most non-pvpers are non-pvpers because the ship doesn't allow pvp?
Do you think Eve is all about pvp? You should know best that the backbone of everything is made of minerals wich, like it or dislike it, come from rocks mined from miners, and no one does that because it's fun.
Maybe because it's relaxing, but mostly because it's profitable, like ratting.
Putting this change to work means seriously endangering the backbone of all eve economy.
Because let's be serious, you don't buld SC, T and C, and thousands of the rest with fleets of 2-4 ventures....

Greygal for CSM.

seriously? because.... everyone has that, right?