Warfare & Tactics

Dude, i can easily push an eris to 1000 dps. 700 is normal for it.

I run my eris'es with polarized weaponry actually for that 1000, because gank is tank, youre right, but an eris with void and blasters pushes out 650 non-heat (3 mag stabs of course).

Of course it is OP. The killboard rankings are perfectly clear. T3Ds, and especially the Svipul, are terrible for small ship diversity.

Having said that, they are very fun to fly against multiple opponents and higher ship classes. But it isn't worth the havoc that had been wreaked on what was a relatively healthy small ship meta.

Sorry for going back to this piece of offtopic, but I always failed to grasp the concept of "force multipliers, being more effective when applied to multiple recipients, keeping solos / small groups competitive".

Very commonly the smaller group has better organization or higher player-skill at disposal, or atleast feel confident being able to deal with the threat at hand by eliminating certain - for the smaller gang devastating - aspects of the bigger group, like long range dps, logistics or fleet tackle using force multipliers. A lot of comping, preparation and experience factor in aswell, making one keres damp the correct targets more valueable than their three celestis damping your gilas (for example).

The organization and coordination required to exploit force multipliers correctly is generally not avaiable in your regular crap-tier HD fleet, making numbers on grid the perfect answer in that situation - if you field more logistics/falcons/blackbirds than they got people, you should win right? So the small gang lands right on the gate, you order one of your guys to push them through, they jump, you jump, they jump back, you reapproach to jump back, the guy who pushed them through cries a river because his derptron got 'sploded and when you're back on the same grid, they're suddenly 70k off the gate regardless of the bubble you just put up. Hurrrrr.
And that's where skirmish and info links kick in, aswell as proper EWAR skills. Damps are terribly dangerous for hero lemmings.

A point you might be overlooking: A regular web reaches to 10km, a linked and heated one webs to almost 17km. Go a step further with a cheap FN web and you got some 23km (or 21k if you're a shadow serp user)webrange against their optimistic 17k, making it very hard to pin you down. Linked faction tackle becomes slightly absurd, and is usually flown by people that also got the required knowledge to make use of it. Factor in the strengths of a tuned, well-coordinated small gang against a big gang of individually weak ships requiring on logi (to be damped) to stay alive, and you really got different , more optimistic odds than without links.

Also, training a toon into links takes about two month for just skirmish, and the rest is fairly optional and takes 2-3 weeks each if I remember correctly. The time required to get a fresh toon to electronic upgrades V simply doesn't count. Training links is easier than training a proper hyena or sentinel, so that certainly isn't the excuse.

Links enable wider engagement styles regardless of the enemy having links.

I kited on the edge of a hostile gang yesterday. It was me vs 20+ dudes. They were fit to do a particular job, so was i. I ddnt care if they had links. What was important was what my links were doing for me. Them havng links does not automaticaly cancel out mine if we are using them differently.

Then don't fly it and quit whining, case closed! If the ship is really that OP to you then you should switch to an Orthrus.

Did you ask RostFire for his fit? Probably 10mn afterburner, active tank with cap boosters like the type Zappity is flying.

It is not the sivpul. It is just people using ABurners instead of MWD. Check if your cyna can track a dramiel with a deadspace AB orbiting you at 1km... no it cannot, not even close.


Each ship has its wekneses, but people want to subornly apply same tactics everywhere.

Check how many vigilants these sivpuls have killed.. I bet not many. Because these sivpuls pilots are smart enough to know that they would be eaten alive.

Sivpul is popular because it is just the best very small scale squirmish ship, and eve evolution left very few ships good on that scenario so peopel simply gravitates for the best. Remove the sivpul and other ship will fit exaclty same spot.

What we need is more counters.. so when you select a ship you do not have to avoid a SINGLE ship, but a whoel significant set of enemies or change your ship.

sure easy to play leeroy with a slicer. But how about in a 3 bil isk T3? THere is a difference between being risk averse and just not being stupid.

Svipul is hilariously strong even after the nerf. Unlike the Hecate it has virtually no draw backs when fit correctly and if you use crystals/pill you can straight up tank/kill its direct counters. There is almost nothing i fear when roaming in them outside of ecm and energy neutralisers.

That said I do not see an issue with the way the meta has shifted in FW. The only change i see necessary is to prevent T3Ds from entering small plexes. This allows regular destroyers and T2 frigates some room to breathe and the T3Ds can bait fights outside plexes or inside mediums if they so wish.