EVE General Discussion

Goons were always fairly media savvy, Helicity was too, but they're weren't as pushy with their propaganda as the New Order.

Bumping has its origins outside of highsec, but has proven to be effective in allowing gankers to hold stuff in place long enough to gather the forces required to kill it. There are counters to it, but because they require the expenditure of effort and manpower, as well as some practice, most people forswear them as viable counters; all the while ignoring that gankers generally have to expend effort and manpower, as well as be well practiced to carry out their activities.

The prolific posting of killmails in local, the entertaining and steeped in RP minerbumping site, the self congratulating threads started by gankers and the tear filled ones started by their victims all add to the illusion that ganking is now far more prevalent than it used to be.

Much like the news in the real world makes events appear to be more common than they actually are.

Quoted for truth.

I can't disagree with anything you said.

People like you are what this game needs more of (on the non-criminal side of the law anyways). You recognize the criminal activities as legitimate play styles even if you chose not to engage in them yourself. That inclusive attitude is what Eve needs more of.

CCP have failed and failed again, they are running this game into the ground, Numbers now are at an all time low, cant remember when i seen an average playercount of 25k, where is the average 45-50k at peak times.


It's all over the interweb. Eve is dieing another 2 years and it will be gone.

They failed building their back up plan games and only have eve now.



Game over CCP.

Bye bye.

1. I can assure you they have no protection from us. And I doubt they have any protection from MiniLuv either. The only freighters safe from us are our own. And those aren't necessarily safe from MiniLuv.

2. You are correct, they probably can absorb more losses.

3. It's only profitable because people refuse to change their behaviour to make it un-profitable. Why would we not gank freighters when people keep feeding us freighter after freighter filled with lovely lovely loot.

4. Adapt or die. Members of Code continuously provide advice on how to avoid our gank fleets. If freighter pilots refuse to adapt and take our advice, too bad for them.

I am in complete agreement with you. I no longer chose to engage in mission running (with rare exceptions). I also do not chose to mine anymore (it used to be almost all I did). I still engage in manufacturing, but I don't do nearly as much of it as I used to.

I still respect all of those professions however as they are all vital to the continuation of Eve. In fact the original reason I got into criminal activity was to learn how to protect myself from it. Not only have I learned exactly how to do that against nearly all forms of criminal activity, but I found that the Dark Side of Eve was quite a bit more entertaining for me than the Light Side. The fact that I can do both is a bonus. The fact that others chose to focus on the Light Side is entirely their choice. As long as they recognize that without the Dark Side Eve would not be the game we know and love, it would be a bleak and boring void.

Who was it who said that without Darkness the Light cannot shine?

All the back patting broguht a tear to my eye. Also, while some 'carebear' types might secretly wish that people of certain playstyle leave, people of certain playstyles wish for that openly when certain 'carebear' types are concered. So you could argue you can find people bad for the game on both sides. .

QFT.

EvE is simply NOT the game for carebears. God help CCP to resist their "one more nerf" march to Hello Kitty Online.

I think you're wrong here - the real question is why people act like prey? Has it ever crossed your mind that the issue might be in lack of information for the people who don't play the game 'hardcore' in terms of OOG information sources. Even new player experience doesn't really explain ganking and its dangers well enough (unless something changed lately). So, unless you follow various eve-related media outlets, you don't really need to know what's going on in the game or how the various mechanics in game work.
Furthermore, although it might sound strange to you and me, people should realize and accept the fact that there are solely PVE focused people in this game, some of whom have never had the need to learn more about PVP combat oriented play. There are even folks who do not wish to engage in combat pvp (I know, that's a real shocker). While ganking is a way to 'introduce' them to combat aspect of the game, I don't consider it optimal from the user experience point of view (in terms of their first encounter with PVP).
Also, I don't understand where the fun is in killing someone who never thought that getting ganked is a common occurrence in game. However, using people's ignorance to troll them further under the 'RP' reasons (which is what code does all the time, just check their site) is simply sad. Their 'education' consist of 'RP'-ing about the saviour of hisec and selling permits while they explain little or nothing to the player affected about real game mechanics (unless you consider reading that trolling nonsense called "The code" helpful advice, which I personally don't).

Knowledge is the responsibility of the player. What should people do, not shoot other people in a video game with guns because that other guy might not know how to shoot?

You don't have a right to ignorance. We are all p[eople sitting at a computer playing a video game, if one person knows more that another person, the person that knows more is going to win. The key then is to educate yourself.

Well, that's the 1st key, the 2nd is "stop making excuses for people who choose to be ignorant of the game they chose to play"




What you consider optimal is irrelevant. Being PVE focused is no excuse for ignorance or bad gameplay choices. Jonah and I and others are PVE focused players, yet we understand the need to understand PVPrs being that this is a pvp centric game.

The game for real PVE players is "how do I continue to PVe against non-consensual PVP opposition?". That is the game for everyone in EVE who is undocked btw.



The above is your personal preference, it applies to you only. You don't need to understand why people think something is fun, YOU are in charge of YOU onlty and your job is to worry about your entertainment, not what others are doing and why. At the end of the day, that's the problem with 'carebears", they try to rationalize away players and playstyles they don't like rather than simply learning to compete against them.

CODE only exists because people with the carebear mentality exist. The true enemy is ignorance and laziness in a game that is about intelligence and willpower. If you don't like CODE, educate their targets, and watch CODE evaporate.