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[P.P.C.] Announcement of Pakhshi Peace Conference
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#241 - 2015-05-21 17:52:45 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
The Cluster does need to be our servants, but His.

But we will give them time to turn to Him. I'm simply stating that no man should even try to change the Empire's god-given right without expecting war.



Not getting down on your religion. I just don't have that many ***ks to give.

So here's peace. You free every Matari in the Empire. You provide us 700 years worth of reparations...something nice like say, the Bleaks. You stay the **** out of our space. You stay the ***k out of everyone else's space. Then you can paint yourself purple and play Master n Servant to your heart's content.

No abolition? No peace.


Save your breath, Wasting your time arguing for things they won't go for won't accomplish anything, meanwhile other matters can be addressed more easily in the grand scheme of things. Give it time it will be addressed soon enough...
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#242 - 2015-05-21 18:33:02 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Debates regarding matters that should be handled within the commissions should be relegated to discussion there.


Would love to. Still waiting for that invitation.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#243 - 2015-05-21 18:45:05 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Debates regarding matters that should be handled within the commissions should be relegated to discussion there.


Would love to. Still waiting for that invitation.



I know that feeling.
Matar Ronin
#244 - 2015-05-21 20:13:39 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:



Monsieur Ronin,

The consideration of slavery and its practice is a topic under discussion at the conference and there are Matari involved. However, please understand that the conference has no more power to force the abolition of slavery than it does to force the Federation to reconstruct itself a constitutional monarchy.

The discussions being undertaken are for the express purpose of outlining grievances and finding possible, workable solutions to address those grievances and then using that outline to carve a path to peace. The conference was not created under the false presumption that it maintained any official power or authority and is instead operating under the capacity of a collective group of volunteers coming together to take the first steps in honestly addressing the notion of peace.

If the participants of this conference come to a workable solution and follow it, perhaps that example will exact positive change in the cluster. Regardless of the outcome, it is a goal worth undertaking.

Why can you not enforce your directions even upon your invited seated delegates? Would I be wrong in assuming you informed them of what the limitations of volunteering to be delegates entailed, broadly speaking things like civility, not shooting each other at the conference table, or attempting to take slaves from amongst the other delegates their religious perspectives deemed suitable? Surely they had to agree to something to be accepted correct?

How is it a delegate can be told to cease and desist discussion of conference agenda items and simply refuse to follow those directions by starting another thread to continue his rants? It seems like grounds to remove him from your Peace Conference, unless the reality is that abolition is not and was not ever an issue for discussion at your Peace Conference.

If that is the case he is not violating any agreements by stating his archaic views on an issue that keeps the Cluster embroiled in warfare, even though that is in direct opposition to the stated goals of your Peace Conference volunteers.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#245 - 2015-05-21 20:34:03 UTC
We can and we have.

Yes, delegates were required to agree to various mandates before their participation was permitted.

No, the conference did not tell delegates they could not openly discuss any subject on the forums. All that has been asked is that this particular thread be kept clear of such discussions to allow it to focus on announcements and business pertaining to the conference itself and not the topics therein.

Whatever the delegates say and do here on the forums is not for the conference to regulate, these forums are regulated by another entity. Beyond that, open discussion on these forums can lead to increased understanding and a broader perspective for participating delegates.

I am sorry you disagree with this order of operation, but that is the order of operation the conference has chosen and it has not strayed from it.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#246 - 2015-05-21 20:39:22 UTC
If we removed every delegate from the peace conference because of their views outside the conference chambers (and I'm talking in the coffeehouse, not even here), we wouldn't have any delegates left after an hour.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Matar Ronin
#247 - 2015-05-21 20:51:26 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Your Lordship,

It is with great disappointment I see you continue to respond to debate outside of the commissions, despite our request that you do not do so.

Please, for the sake of this conference, keep discussions of this nature within it.

Perhaps I misread this.

Sounded like he was asked to stop debating outside of the conference, perhaps this is the source of my "distinct misunderstanding" you so gleefully stated.

If you were a man of honor I would accept your apology for your rude response, but I have yet to see it posted here pilot Liam Antollare.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#248 - 2015-05-21 21:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Matar Ronin wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Your Lordship,

It is with great disappointment I see you continue to respond to debate outside of the commissions, despite our request that you do not do so.

Please, for the sake of this conference, keep discussions of this nature within it.

Perhaps I misread this.

Sounded like he was asked to stop debating outside of the conference, perhaps this is the source of my "distinct misunderstanding" you so gleefully stated.

If you were a man of honor I would accept your apology for your rude response, but I have yet to see it posted here pilot Liam Antollare.


I can see how that could easily be misread, no fault to you for that.

I do believe it is more a matter of either my own misunderstanding of the administrator's request or the administrator being unclear in his request.

Also, perhaps now I have been unclear, the use of the phrase "distinct misunderstanding" is not to imply insult but rather that the misunderstanding is of an acute nature, in relation to a very distinct order of operations within the conference.

Nothing I have said has been intended as insult to you, though if it has been taken this way, then you do indeed have my apology.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Matar Ronin
#249 - 2015-05-21 21:27:43 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Your Lordship,

It is with great disappointment I see you continue to respond to debate outside of the commissions, despite our request that you do not do so.

Please, for the sake of this conference, keep discussions of this nature within it.

Perhaps I misread this.

Sounded like he was asked to stop debating outside of the conference, perhaps this is the source of my "distinct misunderstanding" you so gleefully stated.

If you were a man of honor I would accept your apology for your rude response, but I have yet to see it posted here pilot Liam Antollare.


I can see how that could easily be misread, no fault to you for that.

I do believe it is more a matter of either my own misunderstanding of the administrator's request or the administrator being unclear in his request.

Also, perhaps now I have been unclear, the use of the phrase "distinct misunderstanding" is not to imply insult but rather that the misunderstanding is of an acute nature, in relation to a very distinct order of operations within the conference.

Nothing I have said has been intended as insult to you, though if it has been taken this way, then you do indeed have my apology.
Accepted.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#250 - 2015-05-22 12:10:59 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Your Lordship,

It is with great disappointment I see you continue to respond to debate outside of the commissions, despite our request that you do not do so.

Please, for the sake of this conference, keep discussions of this nature within it.

Perhaps I misread this.

Sounded like he was asked to stop debating outside of the conference, perhaps this is the source of my "distinct misunderstanding" you so gleefully stated.

If you were a man of honor I would accept your apology for your rude response, but I have yet to see it posted here pilot Liam Antollare.


My apologies for any misunderstandings, and a clarification.

In Lord Arcashiri's case it was a request, not an order to stop talking about the issue, and a personal disapointment that it was ignored.

Unlike Mr Antolliere, I feel discussions by Delegates on subjects covered by a commission should remain within a commission. Lord Arcashiri has broken no rules and is under no official censure, but I believe some of the spirit of the Conference has been overlooked. In the commissions, Delegates are free to share full and frank ideas and opinions, on the basis that their peers have volunteered to listen and engage in civil discorse. This mutual respect on differences cannot be garaunteed in the public arena, and further it feels like an unnecissary use of time, energy and effort to have the same debate in two places, when delegates have dealines to meet in terms of proposals.

I also feel that public debate running parrallel in the public and private arenas may risk details of conversations or meetings within the commission being disclosed in a moment of heated discussion. This would very well be a rule break under the proceedures delegates signed up for on their first day.

I hope this clarifies my position on this matter.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#251 - 2015-05-22 13:48:57 UTC
I would talk about it within the Commissions, but those I speak of it with are not within the Conference. Otherwise not a word would be said outside of the Conference.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Matar Ronin
#252 - 2015-05-25 21:45:24 UTC
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
I would talk about it within the Commissions, but those I speak of it with are not within the Conference. Otherwise not a word would be said outside of the Conference.

Who will believe your word when it is clear you seek fame as a wannabe peacemaker while building up your personal militia for war, everything about you screams falsehood.

Now everyone knows you are a complete and total fame seeking fraud, sit down your 10 seconds of fame have elapsed.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#253 - 2015-05-26 12:11:25 UTC
I will give you one response, and one response only. One which was said by the creator of this conference:

Quote:
Three days... three days and though I haven't slept, any free time I have I spend in the chapel praying, and though there has been nothing but obstacles before us I remain hopeful. Why? Maybe I am mad, but if it is mad to want peace then I don't think I wish to be sane! But no because in those rooms sitting across from one another are people who hate each other, fought each other, whose peoples have done great and seemingly impossible wrongs to each other... and yet there they sit, and they talk. They yell, they stamp there feet, and God if looks could kill I would be alone in that room. But in spite of all that, they sit there and they talk.

Hope in the common cause, the greatest cause, peace. And maybe peace is like so many truths a lone flash of lightning in a long night of wrongs... but still like lightning it existed, it illuminated, it was. And our senses can feel it, know it, and whisper to us that it existed, it existed. We can be, and be better for it existed... and must again.


You accuse me of seeking fame, of being a 'slave cultist', a liar, and numerous other things. Yes, I own approximately 13,350 slaves, along with 5,340 Slaver Hounds and 1,335 Slavers. That is one Slaver for every 10 slaves and 4 Slaver Hounds per Slaver.

I will not go giving you "excuses" of any sorts. I do not need to give excuses for doing His work. I am a Slaver. But I am not a Fame Seeker.

I am a man who seeks peace. And yes, I do it with my religion fully intact. I do it with my continuing belief in God and the Reclaiming. But I seek peace none the less, in hopes that many will come to Him without the need for Battleships, Slavers, and weapons.

Now, as has been stated is wished by Chair Onzo, I will refrain from further discussion on the matter.

Fly Safe,
Lord Cakzad Arcashiri

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#254 - 2015-05-26 12:14:56 UTC
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
I will give you one response, and one response only. One which was said by the creator of this conference:

Quote:
Three days... three days and though I haven't slept, any free time I have I spend in the chapel praying, and though there has been nothing but obstacles before us I remain hopeful. Why? Maybe I am mad, but if it is mad to want peace then I don't think I wish to be sane! But no because in those rooms sitting across from one another are people who hate each other, fought each other, whose peoples have done great and seemingly impossible wrongs to each other... and yet there they sit, and they talk. They yell, they stamp there feet, and God if looks could kill I would be alone in that room. But in spite of all that, they sit there and they talk.

Hope in the common cause, the greatest cause, peace. And maybe peace is like so many truths a lone flash of lightning in a long night of wrongs... but still like lightning it existed, it illuminated, it was. And our senses can feel it, know it, and whisper to us that it existed, it existed. We can be, and be better for it existed... and must again.


You accuse me of seeking fame, of being a 'slave cultist', a liar, and numerous other things. Yes, I own approximately 13,350 slaves, along with 5,340 Slaver Hounds and 1,335 Slavers. That is one Slaver for every 10 slaves and 4 Slaver Hounds per Slaver.

I will not go giving you "excuses" of any sorts. I do not need to give excuses for doing His work. I am a Slaver. But I am not a Fame Seeker.

I am a man who seeks peace. And yes, I do it with my religion fully intact. I do it with my continuing belief in God and the Reclaiming. But I seek peace none the less, in hopes that many will come to Him without the need for Battleships, Slavers, and weapons.

Now, as has been stated is wished by Chair Onzo, I will refrain from further discussion on the matter.

Fly Safe,
Joke Cakzad Arcashiri


Bwahahaha!
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#255 - 2015-06-18 15:31:37 UTC
After 4 weeks of deliberations the General Congress shall reconviene tonight at 22:00. The General Congress will spend the next 4 days reviewing the Commissions findings and proposals. Just as with the initial phase, this session of the General Congress will be open to public viewing.

Kind Regards and God's Blessings

Utari Onzo

Chair of the Pakhshi Peace Conference

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#256 - 2015-06-24 00:51:25 UTC
On behalf of the administration of the PPC:

To all of our delegates, observers, administrators, staff, behind-the-scenes laborers and organizers; the successful completion of the PPC primary and commissions is due entirely to your tireless effort, persistence and diligence. You have our utmost respect, appreciation and admiration for the work you courageously undertook and completed.

The Press Relations Officer of the PPC will be hosting a Press Conference on YC 117.06.28 starting at 01:00 Eden Standard (( Sunday at 01:00 GMT)). There will also be a dinner set prior to the Press Conference starting at 23:00 on the 27th. All participants are encouraged to relax during the dinner, share the food, drink, conversation and company of your colleagues and attend the Press Conference to bring the PPC to an official close.

We look forward to seeing each of you there and may the efforts expended during this conference help demonstrate a desire and a will to pursue a future less plagued by the ravages of conflict.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#257 - 2015-06-24 01:59:27 UTC
I would also like to thank and congratulate the fantastic work that went on.

I saw a lot of dedication in the face of adversity. I saw moments of concession and compromise in the face of adversity. That takes tremendous courage. There is significant challenge to appearing just in front of one's peers, following a path of peace and concession when we often the same who have picked up arms. We know why we have picked up arms. We tell ourselves we are just in doing so. Sometimes, instead, following a path towards peace is in fact counter to everything implied in our daily lives. Sometimes in naysayers that we count as friends and colleagues...

To everyone who has sacrificed some standing, some loss of face, let it be known that there is a community, as small and less important to you as it may be, that appreciates the face of willingness that you have shown. Let it be known also that these concessions could not possibly encompass any single one of our individual feelings and that this was not the point.

The future is not ours anyway. It doesn't serve any purpose to build it strictly to our own desires. Our children are likely to follow in our footsteps, culture, guidance, but they may not. Our first steps here set the stage with which they will be left with in time. I'd rather it be one in which people can show a moment of weakness, of compassion, of concession, than one of unwillingness, of stagnancy. That the enemy is not everywhere, but lays in the hands of certain individuals, from all empires and creeds.

Thank you to everyone who has made this Conference a success. May Sarain rest in peace with the love of his God.
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#258 - 2015-06-24 13:04:03 UTC
Many thanks go out to those who organized and supported the Pakhshi Peace Conference.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#259 - 2015-06-24 22:42:32 UTC
I thank the delegates, organization, observers, and everyone else that made this possible for their patience, support, time, loss of sleep, energy, passion, understanding and goodwill.
I love you all.

Peace.

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