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Liberated from Caldari

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#41 - 2015-06-23 22:00:10 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

Seriously what kind of idiot gets solo killed by station or gate guns? High sounding platitudes aside unless you are incompetent or drunk, or both incompetent and drunk how else does that happen?


It happens more than you'd think... By shooting neutral combatants like myself...
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#42 - 2015-06-23 22:19:01 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
The Caldari People deserve a better ally than the slavery cultists, we should not be at war with you. But unfortunately we must meet all enemies of the Matari People even if our heart is not in it. Mine certainly is not.


The Amarr have been kind and loyal friends to us, and it would be shameful for us to betray that friendship. I don't want to fight the Matari - I've spent time and isk and blood bringing slaves back to the Republic, in fact - but they are true friends to us.

I understand your feelings on this - I feel them myself, too. We believe in freedom - real freedom. We won't tell you what to do, nor will we tell the Amarr what to do. All we can do is act kindly to our friends, and honourably to our enemies.

I hope that this pointless war comes to an end, soon. Until then, I promise my Imperial friends that I will help protect their homes and families as best I can, and I promise my Matari opponents that I will treat you honourably, treat all prisoners of war with respect, and will bear no needless grudges. Is this agreeable, in the interim?
Trenmir Bedala
Bedala Salvage
#43 - 2015-06-23 22:39:03 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
The Caldari People deserve a better ally than the slavery cultists, we should not be at war with you. But unfortunately we must meet all enemies of the Matari People even if our heart is not in it. Mine certainly is not.


I agree, Brother. My actions focused on the worst offenders in this conflict, CBD Corporation. They trade directly with the Amarr and do not look twice when signing contracts for Amarr Labor.

One correctly pointed out that Slavery illegal in State, That true but when Corp sign Contract paying for Amarr Labor who you think does labor?

This why CBD and other Corps like it pay for State not taking firm stance on this..

In related news this day I deliver 11 million in trade goods to Minmatar Schools, funds from the sale of these goods will feed the fight against enemies!

Long Live Minmatar!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2015-06-23 23:39:00 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

]So while running home with your tail between your legs like a common cowardly cur, the guns of your paymaster destroyed your loyal crew, while you escaped to collect the isk paid for with their blood.

So while you fled into the unforgiving guns of the station whom were you evading? Sounds more like you experienced the blind panic fear induced while facing the TLF which led to your unskillful demise.

Nonetheless I'm sure you enjoyed the isk paid for with the lives of your crew, their sacrifice went a long way towards filling your soulless pockets, how appropriate they died under the fire of your slavery cult paymasters, a precursor for the final payment the slavery cultists have in mind for all the foolish Caldari who ally with them.


Let me explain. Our story is set in a 0.5 security system - High Sec. At a station that just happens to be Amarrian there is a large freighter class vessel - it's capsuleer owner asleep at the helm. The vessel drifts in front of the station - a hazard to navigation and... who am I kidding? It was a big fat target.

Knowing from the start that our ships were forfeit, a group of us took the cheapest fitted Catalyst class destroyers and headed to the system. En masse we engaged the target vessel - in full knowledge that both Concord and the Station Defences would engage us, eventually.

The target's shields fell quickly. Then it's armour. By now defence forces had arrived - but we had only the hull to destroy! Sadly the target vessel had an enormously reinforced hull and before we could neutralise it as an economic threat, a combination of Concord and the Station defences had destroyed all of our Catalysts.

In Mercenary terms it was a "High-Risk/High-Value target" and sadly, sometimes you eat the Caracal and sometimes the Caracal eats you. Of such choices is a life of danger and daring made. All part of life's rich tapestry.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#45 - 2015-06-23 23:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Karmas a b***h...You really joined those idiots? Sad, thought you were better than that...

Roll
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#46 - 2015-06-23 23:57:22 UTC
Oh dear... seems you Caldari have a terrorist on your hands. Don't worry, we are used to dealing with these. A combination of ignoring his words and hounding his ships will serve you well. Meet his arguments with a wall of silence and his hulls with a wall of missiles.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Matar Ronin
#47 - 2015-06-24 00:06:48 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
The Caldari People deserve a better ally than the slavery cultists, we should not be at war with you. But unfortunately we must meet all enemies of the Matari People even if our heart is not in it. Mine certainly is not.


The Amarr have been kind and loyal friends to us, and it would be shameful for us to betray that friendship. I don't want to fight the Matari - I've spent time and isk and blood bringing slaves back to the Republic, in fact - but they are true friends to us.

I understand your feelings on this - I feel them myself, too. We believe in freedom - real freedom. We won't tell you what to do, nor will we tell the Amarr what to do. All we can do is act kindly to our friends, and honourably to our enemies.

I hope that this pointless war comes to an end, soon. Until then, I promise my Imperial friends that I will help protect their homes and families as best I can, and I promise my Matari opponents that I will treat you honourably, treat all prisoners of war with respect, and will bear no needless grudges. Is this agreeable, in the interim?
The sincerity of your words, the fact that honorable activity is what motivates you and the vast majority of the Caldari People is what makes this war so intolerable. The Caldari and the Matari are meant to be allies, both honorable peoples.

I know the day will come when your current ally betrays you because they are devoid of honor. I hope the goodness that is common between our people outlasts this truly pointless war. I will be ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Caldari when you are betrayed by your "reclaiming" driven ally.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#48 - 2015-06-24 00:42:08 UTC
Trenmir Bedala wrote:
In related news this day I deliver 11 million in trade goods to Minmatar Schools, funds from the sale of these goods will feed the fight against enemies!

Long Live Minmatar!

Wow. Admirable.

I recently invested around ten billion kredits into a cultural outreach program in Matari space. This investment is ongoing and not only financial. I have employed no less than five capsuleers to bring a message of tolerance and inclusiveness from my people to yours by basing their operations in a system common to new Matari capsuleers starting their journey.

These pilots, on behalf of the Dusette family, have opened a small corp dedicated to encouraging, inspiring, mentoring and tutoring in-space new Matari capsuleers who begin their journey in that system. Billions are being invested into the local market to make ships more accessable and affordable to young Matari capsuleers. Public fleets to teach new Matari pilots the basics of flight, mining, and carrying out tasks for local agents are being run regularly as well as day trips into Anoikis, escorted when possible by pilots from Isogen 5 or my family's organization, Anoikis Ronin Alliance.

This project has been well recieved locally and will be ongoing at this stage. It should be seen as a mark of respect toward the Matari from this Achur and her family.

So, Mr Bedala, while you swim in racist generalizations, murdering civilian pilots merely ferrying commercial goods because they're "Caldari", remember this Caldari and the work she is doing for your people.

I am Erica Dusette, sir. I am Achur, and I am ... or maybe was, even engaged to marry a Matari gentleman. I have also indulged in the slave trade in years past, purchasing slaves myself ... only to sponsor them as capsuleers, offering them freedom and money when they graduate. You would be wise to narrow and focus your aggression, Mr Bedala, as the next ship you hit may contain a Caldari individual just like me.

Who then will be the one who is harming your people?

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Trenmir Bedala
Bedala Salvage
#49 - 2015-06-24 00:53:04 UTC
Tell me Achur,

Do you pick and choose from your own law as easily you pick and choose my words to acknowledge?

Shall I refresh your memory?
Quote:

My actions focused on the worst offenders in this conflict, CBD Corporation. They trade directly with the Amarr and do not look twice when signing contracts for Amarr Labor.

One correctly pointed out that Slavery illegal in State, That true but when Corp sign Contract paying for Amarr Labor who you think does labor?

This why CBD and other Corps like it pay for State not taking firm stance on this..


Not that it matter to you much but when I raid I target Engine, not living or life support. reports of casualties exaggerated extremely.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#50 - 2015-06-24 00:58:22 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
The sincerity of your words, the fact that honorable activity is what motivates you and the vast majority of the Caldari People is what makes this war so intolerable. The Caldari and the Matari are meant to be allies, both honorable peoples.

I know the day will come when your current ally betrays you because they are devoid of honor. I hope the goodness that is common between our people outlasts this truly pointless war. I will be ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Caldari when you are betrayed by your "reclaiming" driven ally.

It's a fair thing, though I've met too many Amarrians with good hearts to think so poorly of them. I disagree with them on a great many things, as an Empire, and can only hope that the future brings them a just and agreeable peace with you.

But until then, don't think too poorly of us. Until the day we can be friends, we will try to be the best of your enemies - we will keep you nimble and sharp, so that you are at your best. I know you probably don't see what that means - to us, at least, a good enemy is a more valuable resource than a hundred poor friends.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#51 - 2015-06-24 01:13:46 UTC
Trenmir Bedala wrote:
Tell me Achur,

Do you pick and choose from your own law as easily you pick and choose my words to acknowledge?

Yes.

I follow no one's law, sir. I follow a code and tradition of honour that has guided my family and others from our region for countless generations. I care little for politics, or even Empire in general and turned my back on it years ago. To be honest the program I mention is somewhat unusual and out of character for me, though recent events and people who've graced my life have inspired me. They were Matari.

But you miss the point entirely though, or rather try to deflect it. You surmise that because an organization who's work also includes working for Amarrian interests makes it worthy of being harmed. What if they also ferry goods for my program or one like it? What if I start a project sometime that also aids young Amarr capsuleers? Does that nullify my gesture toward the Matari, or does it show an Achur displaying an attitude of tolerance well beyond yours?

How silly and hypocritical will your crusade then appear when that hauler's wreck contains goods that were destined for your own people? Or will you be the selective one and neglect to publish that "liberation" here?

How will your murders and racist generalizations then differ from those you despise?

It won't. Like I said, narrow and focus your aggression.

I'd recommend visiting your local militia office, sir. Then you can't go wrong.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#52 - 2015-06-24 02:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Matar Ronin wrote:
A brief perusal of your public record shows you were not very efficient against gate guns ...... lol .... what veteran pilot of even minimal combat skills gets destroyed by solo gate guns ..... lol ...... in your case the slavery cultists are really getting theirs isks worth from you!

Carry on efficient pilot, carry on!

A brief perusal of your public record shows you're not qualified to judge Pieter's combat abilities.

A brief perusal of your posts suggests you're not qualified to judge much at all.

Trenmir Bedala wrote:
In related news this day I deliver 11 million in trade goods to Minmatar Schools, funds from the sale of these goods will feed the fight against enemies!

I'm glad you're giving back to your community.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#53 - 2015-06-24 03:25:39 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Let me explain. Our story is set in a 0.5 security system - High Sec. At a station that just happens to be Amarrian there is a large freighter class vessel - it's capsuleer owner asleep at the helm. The vessel drifts in front of the station - a hazard to navigation and... who am I kidding? It was a big fat target.

Knowing from the start that our ships were forfeit, a group of us took the cheapest fitted Catalyst class destroyers and headed to the system. En masse we engaged the target vessel - in full knowledge that both Concord and the Station Defences would engage us, eventually.

The target's shields fell quickly. Then it's armour. By now defence forces had arrived - but we had only the hull to destroy! Sadly the target vessel had an enormously reinforced hull and before we could neutralise it as an economic threat, a combination of Concord and the Station defences had destroyed all of our Catalysts.

In Mercenary terms it was a "High-Risk/High-Value target" and sadly, sometimes you eat the Caracal and sometimes the Caracal eats you. Of such choices is a life of danger and daring made. All part of life's rich tapestry.


Wait.

You attacked a hauler in high-sec?

You refer to it as an economic threat, so you must mean that you had good reason to believe that it was supplying enemy forces, or that it was part of a corporation you had ongoing grievances with. Not that you saw what you perceived as a defenseless, harmless target and you just decided to blow it up.

Right?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Matar Ronin
#54 - 2015-06-24 03:41:48 UTC
Sorry I try not to feed the obvious trolls.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-06-24 12:03:39 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Sorry I try not to feed the obvious trolls.


Yes, being one yourself, that would appear to be counterproductive.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2015-06-24 14:13:10 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:

Wait.

You attacked a hauler in high-sec?

You refer to it as an economic threat, so you must mean that you had good reason to believe that it was supplying enemy forces, or that it was part of a corporation you had ongoing grievances with. Not that you saw what you perceived as a defenseless, harmless target and you just decided to blow it up.

Right?


The operation straddled that line where it was far too orchestrated to be a spur of the moment action and yet not organised enough to actually succeed, Makkal. I believe the target vessel was a known associate of war targets who we believed was rendering material aid and comfort to the enemy - the high sec system in question is right on the border of low security space.

Again, if you look through my record, you'll see that I don't make a habit of hitting industrial targets.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#57 - 2015-06-24 14:36:15 UTC
interesting i wasn't aware "liberation" has come to mean petty theft and piracy. Son if you're going to do theft and piracy at least bother to do it properly or don't do it at all.
Matar Ronin
#58 - 2015-06-24 15:29:30 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Trenmir Bedala wrote:
Tell me Achur,

Do you pick and choose from your own law as easily you pick and choose my words to acknowledge?

Yes.

I follow no one's law, sir. I follow a code and tradition of honour that has guided my family and others from our region for countless generations. I care little for politics, or even Empire in general and turned my back on it years ago. To be honest the program I mention is somewhat unusual and out of character for me, though recent events and people who've graced my life have inspired me. They were Matari.

But you miss the point entirely though, or rather try to deflect it. You surmise that because an organization who's work also includes working for Amarrian interests makes it worthy of being harmed. What if they also ferry goods for my program or one like it? What if I start a project sometime that also aids young Amarr capsuleers? Does that nullify my gesture toward the Matari, or does it show an Achur displaying an attitude of tolerance well beyond yours?

How silly and hypocritical will your crusade then appear when that hauler's wreck contains goods that were destined for your own people? Or will you be the selective one and neglect to publish that "liberation" here?

How will your murders and racist generalizations then differ from those you despise?

It won't. Like I said, narrow and focus your aggression.

I'd recommend visiting your local militia office, sir. Then you can't go wrong.
Here is yet another example of why this pointless war should end. The Caldari people are essentially good. Of course they are subject to the bad political leadership that can afflict any of the people of the cluster from time to time.

Merchant vessels of your enemy are a legitimate war target. It is important to remember this war will not last forever and the time the Caldari have been a good friend to the Matari people certainly is longer than this period of hostilities is likely to last.

As Matari we need to try and influence our ally the Gallente to soften their political/ military conflict with the Caldari. We know what it feels like to be invaded and have foreign troops enforcing customs upon us not of our choosing. Mutual respect carries with it mutual responsibilities.

Although I enjoy verbal sparring here on IGS with our Caldari brethren I do not hold them in contempt, we will fly together again as honorable allies in the future of that I am sure.

I thank you for all you have done for the Matari people especially because you did it from the heart with an eye towards the future. Supporting new capsuleer pilots helps us all find a better place to create common interdependencies and shared experiences to make this cluster a better place for all of humanity.

I hope the Matari get to play an important role in the resolution of the ongoing conflict you have with our ally the Gallente, sometimes it requires the input from a perspective both parties to a conflict respect to help them change long held peace blocking political positions. I want that to happen before the slavery cultists try to "reclaim" the Caldari, I have no desire to see your people suffer slavery at the hands of demonic cultists whose primary goal is implementation of their sick beliefs upon every human in New Eden.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#59 - 2015-06-24 16:02:41 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Here is yet another example of why this pointless war should end. The Caldari people are essentially good. Of course they are subject to the bad political leadership that can afflict any of the people of the cluster from time to time.

...

I hope the Matari get to play an important role in the resolution of the ongoing conflict you have with our ally the Gallente, sometimes it requires the input from a perspective both parties to a conflict respect to help them change long held peace blocking political positions. I want that to happen before the slavery cultists try to "reclaim" the Caldari, I have no desire to see your people suffer slavery at the hands of demonic cultists whose primary goal is implementation of their sick beliefs upon every human in New Eden.

You make me very hopeful for the future :) I hope that one day we can show you that there are good Amarrians, too, though I certainly understand your grievances with them right now, for all of the bad history between you that continues to today.

It's strange, isn't it? How we have all of the tools for peace right at our fingertips, and can't seem to move them in the right way. I hope that we can figure it out soon.
Arimeth
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-06-24 18:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arimeth
Trenmir Bedala wrote:
It clear most of you miss the point, so I explain shall I?

All of these items, including the garbage *, I have taken from Caldari trade ships. All of them represent losses for the Caldari State profit. No Five million not much, and even now that number has grown, but my efforts are symbolic.

So long as the Caldari State continues to turn a blind eye to corporations within it using Amarr "labor" contracts, making it a party to Minmatar enslavement, it shall bleed profit by my blade and by the blades of others with like mind.

No one has asked what I plan with this stock pile of blood-goods...

I may destroy them, like goon swarm does in their burn events.

But perhaps I deliver then to Minmatar schools... Perhaps I and others of like mind feed a Minmatar war machine with Caldari profit blood?


*Caldari would sell own bio-waste as fertilizer to anyone stupid enough to pay for it.


Trenmir Bedala wrote:
My actions focused on the worst offenders in this conflict, CBD Corporation. They trade directly with the Amarr and do not look twice when signing contracts for Amarr Labor.

One correctly pointed out that Slavery illegal in State, That true but when Corp sign Contract paying for Amarr Labor who you think does labor?

This why CBD and other Corps like it pay for State not taking firm stance on this..

In related news this day I deliver 11 million in trade goods to Minmatar Schools, funds from the sale of these goods will feed the fight against enemies!

Long Live Minmatar!


While I am in no way an official representative of the CBD Corporation, I have been it's employee for a majority of my life and I still am a citizen, so I believe I hold some merit to allow myself to represent my home in a unofficial manner in this thread.

Signing contracts for Amarr labor? Unless you can provide clear evidence that CBD has been involved in the purchase or trafficking of slave labor, or that the Corporation has broken any State or Empire laws while operating in their respective sovereign territories, the only explanation for your actions that I can see is barbarism and stupidity.

CBD has trade links far and wide. Yes, we trade directly with the Empire but we also do it with the Federation and your Republic. Even now, despite the proxy wars between the nations, these trade links are alive and pulsing. There is no discrimination here, as long as contracts are honored and no laws are broken, business will continue. It's not the Corporation's place to question or "take a stance", as you put it, on how the Empire should conduct its own affairs, its policies or its dealings with the other nations, as long as its actions do not directly threaten the well-being and safety of Caldari State. I believe same treatment applies to the Republic and the Federation. I very much doubt that CBD cares if the product purchased or payment received has been made or generated with the help of legal slave labor, robotics or hired personnel within the Empire's own borders, if the product is of right quality or the payment of right quantity, it is simply none of our concern.

If you wish for CBD to stop doing business with the Empire then I would suggest for you to first, file a formal complaint regarding whatever issues you have with the Corporation's business practices to an appropriate department, this can be done in any of the CBD's stations, and second, most importantly, invest all your energy in improving the economy, living standards and labor efficiency of your own nation in hopes of being able to offer a bigger demand, better deals, product and stability than what the Empire can. Until then, these fits of violence will serve nothing but chip away at the hopes of better relationships that some of your people express for our two nations.

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