Warfare & Tactics

There is no need to directly quote me when I am the post above you.

I agree the game should not be "balanced" around solo. Interactions with players in a friendly and hostile manner are at its core. In my experience willing FCs are the single biggest content generator in EvE by a margin of about........ 1923418927349127863410246178256107235 to 1.

But equally the game should not be "balanced" around purely fleet work or small medium gangs.
We all know the "glorious" huge fleet fights that often make headlines in the gaming community are actually huge lag fests that in terms of minute to minute game play are incredibly boring. Also the majority of content that currently exists is within the solo/small-medium gang meta, not large fleet. Not to mention the obnoxiously long form up times for bigger fleets.

Balanced in gaming terms usually means - Every avatar, in our case ships, and players are at equal footing.
This is a sandbox MMORPG. There is no "balanced" in the normal sense in my opinion.
Every pilot can at some point fulfill every roll, no need for tedious "my ships is bad etc". Racial homogenization is one of the biggest potential failures of any ship designs possible.

Before this becomes a discussion about EvE in general and not just boosters I will try to get us back on the rails here Crosi.

Offgrid boosters, the only kind that are an issue, have a far bigger impact on the solo and small gang meta than at fleet level.
Most fleets can find some players to provide boosters so all participants on all sides of all fights can be on that playing field.
The pilots who enjoy lone wolfing, or just a group of a few friends non of whom have alts and all want to be on grid in direct combat ships are at a massive disadvantage to those who use a separate account somewhere else in system to give them an advantage that is largely hidden until the engagement has begun.

I will add my main gripe with them is that as someone who tries to encourage new players in to PvP and often has no access to links fighting people with them is tedious and demoralizing. the lengths we have to go to as a group to stop them able to essentially 2v10 us. Demoralizing because, whilst a few losses here and there is fine, people like to win at least some of the time. It is almost the new guys who die over and over again in such a short in equal manner that it teachers them nothing about PvP really other than "this guy>me".

Anyway, I find that in general these kind of discussions are somewhat pointless as CCP pays little to no attention to general forums posts and as such all this is for nothing. I suggest you all go about your previous business and forget about this post. I shall continue not logging in and generally being a bit bitter about EvE in general.

I bid you good day.

Why do discutions on this forums only (or at least mainly) go around low sec ?

I mean, maybe offgrid boosters are broken in low sec, I dont know, i dont pvp here.

But in null sec and whs, OGB are just fine and don't need any nerf.

For a solo pilot:
You go roam in other people's "home". They have all here, stations, jump bridges, poses etc... All what you don't have.
Having an ogb alt allows you to:
Avoid gate camps.
Reequilibrate fights.
sometime ninja tackle ratter and start fight that way.

As a small gang group.
Again, they just allow your gang to be a bit more powerful and reequilibrate fights.

And OGB are already hard enought to manage. Every time i go up for a fleet everyone is having an argue about who is going to bring its link alt this time ? Why ? Because it's utterly annoying to manage (especially if you're monoscreen). When you find an engagement, you got to start the fight with your main ship, warp off make a safe or go on a gate where there is no npc, check combats, or check if there is not a nasty alpha nado la ding o your gate, bear you mates request "where the **** are the links man", "dude squad 2 is not getting link", "move me to squad leader positions". Usually, once all that is set, either you've lost your ship cause you were to focused on where to position your links. Either you had to bail cause you couldn't tank/hold/counter ewar either the fight is already finished. So no nerf needed here.

I can understand that static links staying on a low sec station all the day can be a problem. A good solution for that could be that you cannot run links unless you're like 5 or 10km off a station.

...or probe / gate camp a booster with cruiser fleet with logic... not many are required

plus, if u leave proper tackle on both sides, jumping would not prevent death

given the amount of isks that ppl put in creating their links toons (training queues=plex=isk -> ship is not the only risks there) their strength seems to me not op

i don't have boosters

i avoid or kill boosters

or use other's boosters

i just play the game

shall we nerf implants? shall we nerf what?

many seem to want an easier game... then i think they are bad: instead of accepting the challenge or letting others have their game, they want easy times... seems not like eve to me

i must learn from you how to back my assertions :D

training booster = lots of isks

i am sorry your fleet can't kill a booster. try with something else :P

i can't kill a booster either... unless i join some ppl i know who sometimes kill em.. for great joy :D

not everybody has a booster. if u engage someone you must gather intel on it or run the risk of getting screwed...

Then don't fight in a system when you see a booster on d-scan. You don't like boosters, then don't fight people who use them. Once they get blue-balled enough, they'll either put their links up, or go do something else.

As long as OGB remains the way it is you can expect people to exploit it. It offers a medium through which a single player can turn the tide against superior forces.

Forcing them to be on grid... would change things up. However I'd prefer it if they just got rid of fleet boosting all together. It'd be much simpler to know for a fact we are on an even playing field, instead of having to scout around gathering intelligence on an enemy fleet wondering whether or not they have boosts, how many, etc.

In terms of fleet vs fleet engagements this would not be a problem, but a single player already has enough to worry about without having to worry about that, on top of not being able to field his own boosts, and let's be real here, no player would field an on grid booster to support his solo boat, well, maybe some would, but practically, it would be a horrible idea, for obvious reasons, and thus limiting fleet bonuses to on-grid application would be unfair in that it would be a benefit to large groups, while being a detriment to single players who would otherwise have run their own links.

They are clearly not that bothered about them. If they were they could be fixed in a nanosecond.

Sure, forcing the effects on grid may present technical difficulties, however if they simply added a beacon which anyone can warp to once boosts effects are up ... well ... game changer right there.

Think cyno but without the movement lockout.

So you CAN OGB...but is it wise, when you can no longer hide in the shadows?

But they're not going down this route so it is evidently not a huge deal for CCP.