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Svipuls way OP - look at this video
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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#61 - 2015-06-19 17:33:35 UTC
Aerasia wrote:
George Boothe wrote:
Why are you waiting 2 weeks to get into a frigate?
Depends on how many wrecks it takes before you are no longer 'waiting 2 weeks'. I've already got a hanger I'm rapidly depleting of frigates, with fits not too terribly different than yours. But the engagement profiles are, as you said, so very tiny that anything I do meet is usually outside it. And then I get blown up because I don't remember every hull fitting tendency by heart. :P

The weeks I'm waiting for is when I can fit something better. And then there will be another wait while I get my ISK generating skills up to fund these bigger, more generally competent fits.


Sounds to me like you need to be learning what you can and cannot engage. Knowing what your ship can and cannot engage is a key skill to know in pvp. For example, I see a Condor on dscan in a novice plex. I'm in a blaster fit brawling Comet. I do not take that fight. Why? Because chances are the Condor is fit to kite and is already setup in the plex.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#62 - 2015-06-19 18:16:35 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Just ban em from smalls already to give Dessies and AFs a niche again outside of sniper corms and snarpies.

Not empty quoting
Sleepaz Den
Artificial Memories
#63 - 2015-06-20 00:49:28 UTC
Aerasia wrote:
George Boothe wrote:
Why are you waiting 2 weeks to get into a frigate?
Depends on how many wrecks it takes before you are no longer 'waiting 2 weeks'. I've already got a hanger I'm rapidly depleting of frigates, with fits not too terribly different than yours. But the engagement profiles are, as you said, so very tiny that anything I do meet is usually outside it. And then I get blown up because I don't remember every hull fitting tendency by heart. :P

The weeks I'm waiting for is when I can fit something better. And then there will be another wait while I get my ISK generating skills up to fund these bigger, more generally competent fits.


Frigates aren't quite that rookie friendly compared to destroyers. As a new pilot, you can leave the automatic name *Aerasia's Thrasher* on it and just sit in smalls, waiting for people to warp to you. With the cover of a young pilot, people drastically overestimate their ships or underestimate the thrasher.

[Thrasher, Meta]

400mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Damage Control II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I

Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I

Is a quite simple and reliant fit. Sit in plex, pre-OH everything. If whatever is warping to you is likely to do exp. damage, warp out. Else, good luck.
Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-06-20 06:58:21 UTC
Sleepaz Den wrote:
With the cover of a young pilot, people drastically overestimate their ships or underestimate the thrasher.
The "Member of vanity corp since March 2005" might hurt with that, but I get the point about the Dessie.

And hey, getting the T1 Dessie is the first step to getting the T3. Lol
Darth Magus
The Lone Magus
#65 - 2015-06-20 17:16:17 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mira Chieve wrote:
Why bring neuts to your gang, right ?

The ship is not OP, only the enemies are incompetent. Of course, blingy active tanks rep for a LOT, but bring them under neut pressure and they are done for.

A single sentinel with a TD would crap all over that svipul. Or an arbitrator with full rack o´ neuts. But people prefer to fit Missile Launchers into utility highs -.-


wrong and wrong.

a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.

and from personal experience, a svipul can pretty much ignore neuts anyways. I lost several pilgrims to solo svipuls, and they werent even pimped or linked. You know what happens? they shoot down the drones, then proceed to murder the pilgrim with capless guns. And same thing with a deimos, even under web and scram they can easily tank a full blaster fit deimos because small sig.

1 v 1 svipul is king of the hill, linked or unlinked. And king of the hill not by a small margin, but by FAR.

Just look at recent pvp stats (zkillboard):

Svipul 11,294
Sabre 9,131
Caracal 5,195
Stiletto 5,186
Confessor 5,033
Proteus 4,624
Loki 4,616
Malediction 4,560
Jackdaw 4,509
Ishtar 4,470

everything else is in 4-5k range, svipul FAR outpaces everything else.

Checking svipuls effectiveness - 91% survival rate.

91%

9 out 10 times you go against a svipul, you die.


This sound like a normal ship to you? I use svipuls as well, for this exact reason - unkillable. But its broken. Broken as hell.


Garmur has a higher survival and kill rate. I kill Svipuls in an Algos (because who would not engage that?) and it really depends on a pilot's skill (more like fitting meta skill) and awareness. I'd say that a dual-active rep 10mn Confessor is much deadlier then the Svipul but very few ppl know/fly that.
Darth Magus
The Lone Magus
#66 - 2015-06-20 17:37:52 UTC
Sleepaz Den wrote:
Aerasia wrote:
George Boothe wrote:
Why are you waiting 2 weeks to get into a frigate?
Depends on how many wrecks it takes before you are no longer 'waiting 2 weeks'. I've already got a hanger I'm rapidly depleting of frigates, with fits not too terribly different than yours. But the engagement profiles are, as you said, so very tiny that anything I do meet is usually outside it. And then I get blown up because I don't remember every hull fitting tendency by heart. :P

The weeks I'm waiting for is when I can fit something better. And then there will be another wait while I get my ISK generating skills up to fund these bigger, more generally competent fits.


Frigates aren't quite that rookie friendly compared to destroyers. As a new pilot, you can leave the automatic name *Aerasia's Thrasher* on it and just sit in smalls, waiting for people to warp to you. With the cover of a young pilot, people drastically overestimate their ships or underestimate the thrasher.

[Thrasher, Meta]

400mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Damage Control II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I

Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I

Is a quite simple and reliant fit. Sit in plex, pre-OH everything. If whatever is warping to you is likely to do exp. damage, warp out. Else, good luck.


Very good point.

Proof:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?eid=47038342

(This happened on a small plex on the warpin gate, I guess the pilot derped a bit or felt overcomfident - which was the goal anyway)
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#67 - 2015-06-23 14:44:57 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
TL:DR - svipul in video easily tanks 2 RML caracals + other ****, proceeds to murder a gang of 5 by himself easily. This is bullcrap.


http://evenews24.com/2015/06/14/video-svipul-massacre/

I dont care what people say, a destroyer should NOT be able to tank a RLM cruiser, much less 2 cruisers + drones unloading clips into you.

In my own experience, a similar fitted svipul can easily murder a deimos, a pilgrim, can easily tank an orthrus, and generally maneuver like a boss with his 10mn afterburner.

obviously i have a svipul myself; but this is bullcrap, how do you even fight something like this 1 v 1 in a simular weight class?

The ship is ridiculously, retarderdly overpowered. With links, its radius is something like 25m, thats virtually immune to damage; even drones miss.


That video has nothing to do with the svipul. It's just more proof that any booster should have to be on grid to give any bonuses.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#68 - 2015-06-23 15:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Petre en Thielles wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
TL:DR - svipul in video easily tanks 2 RML caracals + other ****, proceeds to murder a gang of 5 by himself easily. This is bullcrap.


http://evenews24.com/2015/06/14/video-svipul-massacre/

I dont care what people say, a destroyer should NOT be able to tank a RLM cruiser, much less 2 cruisers + drones unloading clips into you.

In my own experience, a similar fitted svipul can easily murder a deimos, a pilgrim, can easily tank an orthrus, and generally maneuver like a boss with his 10mn afterburner.

obviously i have a svipul myself; but this is bullcrap, how do you even fight something like this 1 v 1 in a simular weight class?

The ship is ridiculously, retarderdly overpowered. With links, its radius is something like 25m, thats virtually immune to damage; even drones miss.


That video has nothing to do with the svipul. It's just more proof that any booster should have to be on grid to give any bonuses.


Take the boosts away an you will just never have a scenareo where one dude is willing go on grid vs many because the solo, micro and small gangs will become more of a numbers game.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2015-06-23 16:50:37 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Take the boosts away an you will just never have a scenareo where one dude is willing go on grid vs many because the solo, micro and small gangs will become more of a numbers game.



Bullshit.

The fact you're too risk adverse to do it does not mean we all are. I go full unlinked solo leeroy in my slicer against gangs all the time, on gates, out of plexes, sliding into occupied plexes, i don't give a single ****.

And i don't mean it as an offense, i just get a thrill out of risky against the odds situations, as i would say a lot of people that go solo do.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#70 - 2015-06-23 17:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Take the boosts away an you will just never have a scenareo where one dude is willing go on grid vs many because the solo, micro and small gangs will become more of a numbers game.



Bullshit.

The fact you're too risk adverse to do it does not mean we all are. I go full unlinked solo leeroy in my slicer against gangs all the time, on gates, out of plexes, sliding into occupied plexes, i don't give a single ****.

And i don't mean it as an offense, i just get a thrill out of risky against the odds situations, as i would say a lot of people that go solo do.


Im talking about using boosters to punch above your ships class and to lure people into more interesting fights., engaging multiple cruisers in a dessie as per the video, not engaging a couple of t1 frigs or dessies in a t3 dessy lol. Which pretty much accounts for the kills you are bragging about.

You dont need boosts when you are going into a fight slightly outnumbered but when your hull vastly outclasses the enemies t1 fit t1 dessy lol.

I know you always post hostile to me with claims of risk aversion. I put it down to some sort of insecurity and move on. If you want to assert how much better you are because you dont use boosts (even though im pretty sure you do when they are available), go ahead, ive never claimed to be good.

Doesnt change the fact that boosts enable more interesting engagement envelopes. But it is also true that many people ONLY use them to further bolster their pimp ship and take only fights where they are certain to win.

Personally my garmur was in struture about 15 times yesterday after 3 days of fighting a group of people that are slowly converging on 6--8 individual hard counters that range from ewar to faction cruisers. I still kept the system stable, even if there wernt many kills to show for it :)

Which leads me to the ultimate and probably one of the most common hypocricies in eve. These guys were complaining about my booster while im outnumbered 8-1 and they nearly always have their own claymore too lol.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#71 - 2015-06-23 17:51:11 UTC
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2015-06-23 18:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Take the boosts away an you will just never have a scenareo where one dude is willing go on grid vs many because the solo, micro and small gangs will become more of a numbers game.



Bullshit.

The fact you're too risk adverse to do it does not mean we all are. I go full unlinked solo leeroy in my slicer against gangs all the time, on gates, out of plexes, sliding into occupied plexes, i don't give a single ****.

And i don't mean it as an offense, i just get a thrill out of risky against the odds situations, as i would say a lot of people that go solo do.


Im talking about using boosters to punch above your ships class and to lure people into more interesting fights., engaging multiple cruisers in a dessie as per the video, not engaging a couple of t1 frigs or dessies in a t3 dessy lol. Which pretty much accounts for the kills you are bragging about.

You dont need boosts when you are going into a fight slightly outnumbered but when your hull vastly outclasses the enemies t1 fit t1 dessy lol.



i obviously wasn't talking about those kills in my t3s, if you go thruh my killboard (hint, click "solo") you'll see that except in the past week or so i fly slicers 90% of the time, and i engage everything with it, from lone pilots to gangs, t1s, pirate, dessies, cruisers.

Before that there was the odd dual prop comet i used to murder the usual condors and tristans plexing squads. I stand by what i said, i engage frigs and dessie gangs, some cruisers too, in a frig, unlinked, all the time, which isn't bragging, luckily there are plenty of pilots that do.

Quote:

I know you always post hostile to me with claims of risk aversion. I put it down to some sort of insecurity and move on.


i literally never posted hostile to you. Actually, i 'm positive i never posted to you period. I'll put your unnecessarily defensive reply down to some sort of insecurity and move on.

Also, when you fly garmurs most of the time, it's not "claims" of risk aversion.

Quote:

If you want to assert how much better you are because you dont use boosts (even though im pretty sure you do when they are available), go ahead, ive never claimed to be good.


See i wasn't, and i am not, claiming i am better than you, i was merely pointing out that your previous statement (no boosts = no solo pilot fighting outnumbered / outclassed) was false.

In fact. o have no problem saying you're a much better EVE player than i am, i've been in fleets with you, your target calling was spot on, your plans just as much, you bring shitton of hulls for deployements and give them out sub jita price, surely much more i don't know about,and you clearly are an excellent pilot. I give full credit and kudos to you.

I merely go out and blow **** up / get blown up, that's all i contribute to EVE, with a side of bullshit calling when needed.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#73 - 2015-06-23 19:46:28 UTC
This is like the 3rd and 4th time in the last few weeks where you have called me risk averse and bragged about how awesome you are lol.

And there is no difference between me in a 350m isk garmur kiting, and you in a 20m isk slicer kiting. To some were both risk averse. I just play for more than random ganks so not having to reship every 15 minutes is an advantage :)
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2015-06-23 19:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
This is like the 3rd and 4th time in the last few weeks where you have called me risk averse and bragged about how awesome you are lol.


please do quote me

Quote:

And there is no difference between me in a 350m isk (linked and snaked) garmur kiting, and you in a 20m isk slicer kiting.



i don't even








....



ah well. To all the common sense people. I ain't bragging, i don't care about e-peen, in fact i'm quite an average pilot, or maybe just barely above, i do plenty of stupid **** and i lose ship in stupid ways, i just want to encourage people to have fun and abandon this cancerous mindset of "buuuuuuawwwwhh i don't have links i can't solo it's pointless"
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#75 - 2015-06-23 20:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
This is like the 3rd and 4th time in the last few weeks where you have called me risk averse and bragged about how awesome you are lol.


please do quote me

Quote:

And there is no difference between me in a 350m isk (linked and snaked) garmur kiting, and you in a 20m isk slicer kiting.



i don't even








....



ah well. To all the common sense people. I ain't bragging, i don't care about e-peen, in fact i'm quite an average pilot, or maybe just barely above, i do plenty of stupid **** and i lose ship in stupid ways, i just want to encourage people to have fun and abandon this cancerous mindset of "buuuuuuawwwwhh i don't have links i can't solo it's pointless"



The 3rd and 4th hostile posts where you call me risk averse and brag about your kills are in this very thread lol.

And this post goes into the 'WHY DOESNT EVERYONE PLAY LIKE ME, CCP MAKE IT SO EVERYONE HAS TO PLAY LIKE ME' category.

Having links and soloing, is not the same as not being able to solo without links. However, my fits are built with links in mind which is not at all the same thing.

As for links and snakes, i think you are just too risk averse to put a 3bn isk pod in space in a ship with 1800ehp ;)

What else is there to do with the isk?
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2015-06-23 20:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
lol my first post in this thread is in this page, and right after you come and tell me i sort of stalk you posting against you everywhere everytime, when i literally never replied to you

are you even for real man, what the hell >_>

as for the rest of your post, yeah, whatever, you win, 100 internets points and a cookie for you, and the special unique badge "Ironestestest balls in New Eden" - awarded only to the bravest of souls daring the space, the gods and fate itself by risking a snake pod in a linked garmur.

Congrats.

\o/

I'm outta here
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#77 - 2015-06-23 21:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
I didnt say that, your first and second post in this thread each said i was risk averse and that your alleged style of play was the best.

You have followed this exact same posting pattern in older threads at least 2 other times as i recall. Didnt say you were stalking, just that you seem bitter for some reason.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#78 - 2015-06-23 21:51:33 UTC
I can't wait till the Hecate comes out. If people think the Svipul is OP, the Hecate is going to make everyone cry.
Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#79 - 2015-06-23 21:52:36 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
I can't wait till the Hecate comes out. If people think the Svipul is OP, the Hecate is going to make everyone cry.


Not sure, the 10mn ab thingy is not viable on that ship
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2015-06-24 00:11:31 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
I can't wait till the Hecate comes out. If people think the Svipul is OP, the Hecate is going to make everyone cry.


Nope, hecate came out, and at its core its simular to an eris. Quick, high dps, but not very tanky at all, and massive sig bloom when moving.

Balanced little destroyer, in other words.