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An open letter to CCP.

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Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2015-06-22 14:21:46 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:


I posted it with my main in early 2013 when it happened. Since then your chicken alliance haven't extended that war dec and never decced me again, so I never had the chance to re-evaluate you chickens.

I thought you quit for 2 years after losing a frigate? Maybe they did dec you again during your absence.

Grrr.

Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2015-06-22 14:51:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Your freighter; tank it.

Your route when running freight; scout it.

Your insurance; buy it.

Your experience; learn from it.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.

Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2015-06-22 14:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
My redundant post; delete it Big smile

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.

Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2015-06-22 15:26:21 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:


I posted it with my main in early 2013 when it happened. Since then your chicken alliance haven't extended that war dec and never decced me again, so I never had the chance to re-evaluate you chickens.

I thought you quit for 2 years after losing a frigate? Maybe they did dec you again during your absence.

That was after I returned. I quit in 2010. Only Tora Butthurtdo decced me twice since then for being called dock-****-dock freighter camper chicken, and even then I only saw his minions docked just as well as chickens.

Chickens never decced again, even when prompted to and called chickens on a few occasions. Well, chickens be chickens.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#145 - 2015-06-22 15:34:55 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Azda Ja wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:


I posted it with my main in early 2013 when it happened. Since then your chicken alliance haven't extended that war dec and never decced me again, so I never had the chance to re-evaluate you chickens.

I thought you quit for 2 years after losing a frigate? Maybe they did dec you again during your absence.

That was after I returned. I quit in 2010. Only Tora Butthurtdo decced me twice since then for being called dock-****-dock freighter camper chicken, and even then I only saw his minions docked just as well as chickens.

Chickens never decced again, even when prompted to and called chickens on a few occasions. Well, chickens be chickens.


Says the brave, fearless forum alt who didn't undock during a dec.

Mmmm, tasty.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Paranoid Loyd
#146 - 2015-06-22 15:39:00 UTC
Orca Platypus is trolling, please stop feeding him. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#147 - 2015-06-22 15:56:39 UTC
Hey OP at least you can get out now, while your losses are only a few billion. If you had gone on years longer imagining high sec to be safe space. you might have lost a lot more!

EvE is brutal Twisted
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#148 - 2015-06-22 16:05:20 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Orca Platypus is trolling, please stop feeding him. Blink

Yeah but this is the manufactured outrage thread for the next couple of days, and an odd one at that.

To his credit the op in a bold move engaged his reasoning and logic so the usual antagonism role was gone,
the thread however seems to have enough inertia to power on regardless and in his absence the thread organically provided is with another, admittedly poor quality , antagonist.

You are right though he hardly warrants any further response.
Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2015-06-22 16:11:30 UTC
To save some of you some time I feel I've already answered most questions already or at least addressed some concerns some of you have raised in my previous posts but they've obviously been buried.

Here are my posts relating directly to the topic in order they were posted:

Quote:
Thank you guys for some of your words of encouragement, yes I know not to fly what I can't afford to replace and all that stuff and "rage quitting" probably isn't the best way to go about it, nor was ranting over on the forums however I hope you can understand the feelings at the time.

Besides, I never expected kind comments in return and such but Carrie-Anne Moss took it to a whole other level. Thank you for all those words of advice Carrie.



Quote:
I know I mentioned this in my last post but seriously thank you some of you for your harsh, unkind but mostly valid points regarding what had happened this morning.

I enjoy the challenges EVE gives, that's why I started to l play it in the first place, this morning however felt unfair hence the outburst and perhaps I had become a bit too complacent.

I've decided to keep my sub going and try again, learn from the mistakes and see where that leads us.

Also, thanks for the heads up about Carrie, her posts are now hidden!


Quote:
Well, the biggest thing I've learnt today above all else is not to cry on the forums. Hell, I won't be doing that again!

@ Ralph King-Griffin
Thank you for the link, favorited and will be reading tonight!

@ Zimmy Zeta
Sorry, I'm not giving anything away just yet. I'll keep you in mind though if / when that time comes :p


Darth Terona wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that brother.. But two things. And please, I'm not trying to troll

1. I'm pretty sure you can't moon mine in hs, so if you can't defend your freighter, how will you defend a pos?

2. Freighters insurance is excellent! Payout ensures you have enuff isk in pocket to just go buy another. Then all you have to do is 400 or so million to ensure it again...

Also, two years in game and 2billon isk loss breaks you? You have been leading a sheltered life my friend.

Quote:

Not at all, and I'll try to explain.

I started playing with work colleagues, we mostly ran Level 4 PvE missions to farm LP for the SoE ships. Originally I was flying a Raven but once the Gila redesign came out you could pretty much go AFK and let that ship do all the work for you.
Farming LP lead us to make roughly 70-90 mil per ship for a few hours worth of "work" but we were pulled into a corp and found the ISK we were making was peanuts.

So as for the PvP / political aspect of the game (corps and alliances) I agree I have lead a somewhat sheltered life.

ISK wise I have roughly 5 bil and then maybe twice that in assets, most was made making the SoE ships and running DED sites in wormholes.

The POS's are already set up and have been for days. I was on my way to Jita to pick up another Silo. Even after two years this is my first real time going into nul sec.
This created a new challenge because we were being caught at gates so we found a site which tells you how many kills has been in a particular system so we were using that to plot our route.

We also fitted a few ships so interwarp was possible. We went from a huge number of loses to nothing pretty much overnight.
We also found out you're more likely to get caught in a web bubble if you're moving from gate to gate or station to gate so once entering a system we'd warp to a planet or moon and then onto the Stargate, this help us a number of times getting to the next system as we missed the web bubble(s) completely unless the bubble was placed right on top of the Stargate.

The insurance payout for the freighter was 500 mil so I was going to put the extra 700 mil in there myself and get a new one. The Orca I was going to leave and see if anyone missed it first.

@Kinete Jenius
This is exactly what happened.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#150 - 2015-06-22 16:30:57 UTC
The fact that you lost your pod in high sec tells me you might not have been paying attention when this happened.

Also, flying a Charon through Uedama? You should know better than that.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#151 - 2015-06-22 16:54:46 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Tempted to think this is a CODE alt


It's actually not. (at least not that I know of) He was one of our victims though.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2015-06-22 16:58:03 UTC
I can understand not being able to do anything in again but you kinda did about everything that attracts a gank. 1-Uedama, 2-no tank, 3-an orca in your hold.

3 being the biggest issue. If you took the time to fly that with an alt or ap'd them both I doubt anyone would have bothered with you.

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Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2015-06-22 17:01:14 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:

Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation? It didn't matter if his tank was maxed out or not. 18 catalysts and a talos is at least 323k damage. If they pre-positioned concord away from the bump area then it's more like 387k damage. A max tanked charon with all V skills only has about 307k ehp. That means regardless of tank that charon was going to die.

Tank isn't going to save you from anything other then maybe gank newbies. A good tank could dissuade some of the smaller ganker groups too but with hyperdunking being allowed it's unlikely. The people involved with this gank though are NOT gank newbies.


This describes what happened perfectly and in this instance (and where the frustration came from) there is no counter to three ships bumping you of course to prevent you warping. No fit will stop that, there is no interwarp "trick" or anything of that kind to get you out of trouble. A corp member did offer back up but let's be fair, the freighter was good as gone.

I'm not trying to flame or start an argument but if people are going to use the bumping technique, exploit, trick or whatever people would like to call it then there should be some way to counter it, as it stands there isn't and this is what caused me to write what I did. To an extent it was also down to my own stupidity which I'm fully accountable for and accept.

I'd also like to point out I've acknowledge my mistake(s) in previous posts. I've posted these together a few posts up for people who don't want read through the entire thread so I'd like to ask people to stop telling me it was my fault etc as it has already been noted.

However some of the criticism and feedback has been great. So thank you all for contributing.
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2015-06-22 17:04:23 UTC
/me bumps her breasts into your chest.

Whooopsy teehee
Finn McCoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2015-06-22 17:07:16 UTC
Pixie Tickle wrote:
/me bumps her breasts into your chest.

Whooopsy teehee


The best kind of bumping!

I was going to say "The breast kind of bumping" but I didn't know how you guys felt about puns...
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#156 - 2015-06-22 17:07:26 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Orca Platypus is trolling, please stop feeding him. Blink

Yeah but this is the manufactured outrage thread for the next couple of days, and an odd one at that.

To his credit the op in a bold move engaged his reasoning and logic so the usual antagonism role was gone,
the thread however seems to have enough inertia to power on regardless and in his absence the thread organically provided is with another, admittedly poor quality , antagonist.

You are right though he hardly warrants any further response.


Finn McCoul wrote:
To save some of you some time I feel I've already answered most questions already or at least addressed some concerns some of you have raised in my previous posts but they've obviously been buried.



Hi Finn,
Ralph made a pretty valid point here. You see, most of us post on the forums from work, it's one of the few things that actually brings a little happiness into our dull and boring drone-lives.
Could you - I know this sounds kinda weird- but, er... could you at least pretend to be the kind of person that Platypus was impersonating here? Soo..uh..we could go on flinging excrements at each other and have a little fun?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2015-06-22 17:09:26 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
[quote=Ralph King-Griffin]
Could you - I know this sounds kinda weird- but, er... could you at least pretend to be the kind of person that Platypus was impersonating here? Soo..uh..we could go on flinging excrements at each other and have a little fun?


Seconded.

You owe us that much, your 180 robbed us of entertainment. P

Grrr.

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#158 - 2015-06-22 17:12:21 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
I can understand not being able to do anything in again but you kinda did about everything that attracts a gank. 1-Uedama, 2-no tank, 3-an orca in your hold.

3 being the biggest issue. If you took the time to fly that with an alt or ap'd them both I doubt anyone would have bothered with you.



The fact that anyone undocks a freighter in anything but an NPC corp hauler (and no, gankers, Petre isn't my hauler, he's a forum alt, calm down) with a scout or two is beyond me...
Dave Stark
#159 - 2015-06-22 17:15:14 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation?


because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.

don't be the guy that gets shot first.
Dave Stark
#160 - 2015-06-22 17:16:27 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
I can understand not being able to do anything in again but you kinda did about everything that attracts a gank. 1-Uedama, 2-no tank, 3-an orca in your hold.

3 being the biggest issue. If you took the time to fly that with an alt or ap'd them both I doubt anyone would have bothered with you.



The fact that anyone undocks a freighter in anything but an NPC corp hauler (and no, gankers, Petre isn't my hauler, he's a forum alt, calm down) with a scout or two is beyond me...


as psychotic monk taught me; always bet on stupid.

stupid is why they do it.