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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#1 - 2015-06-19 12:35:35 UTC
I want to try something new but all my slots are used and I don’t want to delete any Characters. Start a new account? Abusing a trial account? I would prefer some slots for inactive toons. For everything in and out of game this inactive toons could be treated like toons on an unsubbed account. No login, no training, no forum post, no API etc.

These inactive slots could be sold for a reasonable amount of Aurum. Moving toons between inactive and active slots could be charged with a reasonable amount of Aurum and limited to once a month.

One account, Up to three active toons, Unlimited slots for inactive toons

Potentially negative for CCP and EVE business:
  • reduced motivation to continue the new toon on a new subscription

    • Additional thoughts:
  • multiple subscriptions on the same customer account
  • function to spin off toons into a new subscription for free (the new subscription not for free of course)
    • [*] function to move toons between subscription of the same customer for Aurum
    Kestral Anneto
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #2 - 2015-06-19 12:48:48 UTC
    my +1, CCP still gets money, and we get a more flexable way of shifting out toons about.
    Kenrailae
    Scrapyard Artificer's
    #3 - 2015-06-19 13:05:39 UTC
    -1. Too much grey area. Aurum is bad. What happens when I store my super alt in one of those? Then just spend money to use it or my scamming hauler. Too much grey on the 'for shiny but useless, to pay to win' scale.

    The Law is a point of View

    The NPE IS a big deal
    Lim Hiaret
    Hiaret Family
    #4 - 2015-06-19 13:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lim Hiaret
    Kenrailae wrote:
    -1. Too much grey area. Aurum is bad. What happens when I store my super alt in one of those? Then just spend money to use it or my scamming hauler. Too much grey on the 'for shiny but useless, to pay to win' scale.


    I'd prefer Aurum because one Plex seems to much for it. Also the costs could be better balanced with Aurum. The super alt is probably already parked on an extra subscription which is unsubbed until needed. I don't think this would change.

    But I agree, there should be limitations apart from Aurum cost to avoid pay per win. Maybe one change per month per slot or per toon or per account. And the Aurum cost should be reasonable and affordable for everybody. Especially the moving charges.
    Kenrailae
    Scrapyard Artificer's
    #5 - 2015-06-19 13:29:54 UTC
    The only thing Aurum should be used for is barbie online, it should not have any instances where it affects gameplay

    The Law is a point of View

    The NPE IS a big deal
    Onslaughtor
    Phoenix Naval Operations
    Phoenix Naval Systems
    #6 - 2015-06-19 13:35:05 UTC
    Kenrailae wrote:
    The only thing Aurum should be used for is barbie online, it should not have any instances where it affects gameplay


    aurum can already be used to buy duel character training at a slightly reduced price over 1 plex.
    Kenrailae
    Scrapyard Artificer's
    #7 - 2015-06-19 13:47:43 UTC
    Onslaughtor wrote:
    Kenrailae wrote:
    The only thing Aurum should be used for is barbie online, it should not have any instances where it affects gameplay


    aurum can already be used to buy duel character training at a slightly reduced price over 1 plex.


    Which I entirely oppose. Dual*


    This also why I entirely oppose adding another 'thing'. First it's one.... then another. ...... then another.... then just one little thing more. Sorry, watched EA ruin entirely too many excellent games and studios with their cash cow mentality. Not Eve. Ccp skorpio or skorpius or w/e is ex EA, correct? That guy that took over after Soundwave?

    The Law is a point of View

    The NPE IS a big deal
    Lim Hiaret
    Hiaret Family
    #8 - 2015-06-19 15:17:57 UTC
    If CCP could add this feature for free, I would be happy. Only I'm worried that this could harm CCPs income in some way and that is not what I want. So there should be some way to compensate, even if CCP might choose to leave the cost at zero later on. Now the options for that are quite limited:


    • new premium subscriptions
    • Plex
    • Aurum


    And of all that only Aurum is acceptable.
    vikari
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #9 - 2015-06-20 15:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: vikari
    Aurum = Plex = RL Money

    RL money can give me 2 accounts, and therefore duel training. Aurum giving me 2 characters that can train is no different aside from allowing those with less RL money to gain some of the benefits of those that have it.

    shut up and stop your whining.
    vikari
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #10 - 2015-06-20 15:47:35 UTC
    OP I can't say I see an issue with the idea as long as CCP limited it to 3 active toons at a time. Unless the person was to pay for 6 "active" slots at one time for the price of two accounts (Not sure why they would do that tbh). I think this comes down mostly to a possible significant overhaul of the account system being needed. CCP has acknoledged they can't realistically allow us to swap characters without logging out and then back in as of now. Even though your idea and character swap are not the same, they likely affect the same applications of Eve greatly. CCP is ultimately going to need to review that code sooner or later.
    SFR SaFeRa
    Doomheim
    #11 - 2015-06-21 04:57:23 UTC
    No.
    Ncc 1709
    Fusion Enterprises Ltd
    Pandemic Horde
    #12 - 2015-06-21 07:29:35 UTC
    -1 no.
    would trash the pi market
    everyone would have 200 pi toons per account and just cycle between them once a week or so
    Lim Hiaret
    Hiaret Family
    #13 - 2015-06-22 16:31:44 UTC
    I don't think PI alts would realy be a problem. With a one month limitation per account or slot or even per toon, PI wouldn't be effective. But industry jobs and trade or contracts could be a problem. I'm not sure how jobs are handled when an account is unsubbed. Or you could fill up all your trade slots and switch toons. So, a precondition might be required:


    • no open trades and jobs
    Danika Princip
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    #14 - 2015-06-22 17:40:31 UTC
    What kind of trying something new is worth the hassle of training yet another alt in the basic fitting skills over just training whatever skills the thing needs on a character you already have, but not worth another account? (Especially given the power of two offer...)
    Kenrailae
    Scrapyard Artificer's
    #15 - 2015-06-23 18:27:36 UTC
    All in all there are just too many opportunities for abuse, and too much possibility of opening yet another 'oh it's just one little aurum thing' and by the time you deal with all those, you're back to you may as well just get another account or train a few skills on your character. Aurum dual training is bad enough. Aurum character swapping is not a good way to go.

    The Law is a point of View

    The NPE IS a big deal
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #16 - 2015-06-23 19:19:31 UTC
    -1 unneeded and can lead to abuse

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Alexis Nightwish
    #17 - 2015-06-23 22:02:08 UTC
    I'm not a fan of anything that encourages more alts.
    -1 from me.

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