Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So because goons seem to find loopholes in many decisions or changes that ccp implements... that must mean ccp is working for goons...

Somehow you're logic is flawed



PS Free tin foil hats at the exit

We don't like fights where bringing more people automatically means you're going to win.

So we're going to introduce a change where just adding 1 more smart bombing BS completely negates the change and makes firewalling entirely viable again?

Yep, when in a scenario where a utility high is available most comps make use of it with a large, or a medium in the unlikely event a large wont fit. This means every single DPS boat is carrying a smart bomb.

On top of that you get, as you said - dedicated anti missile/bomb/drone ships which make use of a full rack of disco smart bombs.

Considering the entosis change was to take away from blob warfare etc, it seems odd to implement a change which can be entirely nullified by adding a couple more battleships with smartbombs. (In reality in a lot of fleet fights there is already going to be enough smart bombs on grid to firewall even post-change)

Small/Medium gang, firewalling isn't really as much of an issue, as can be seen with the prevalence of comps such as ham legions, and all forms of caracal.

While the issue of missiles in PvP DOES need to be addressed, and it's good to see that CCP are looking at it, this change really does seem to be pissing in the wind.

What testing scenarios were used when determining the HP buff?

Don't forget firewalling is also used because 5 players can negate N players, defender missiles to negate N players you essentially need N+1, and even then as you said due to missile changes you're unlikely to mitigate all that much.

Smartbombs are fit in gang pvp, but it's to counter drones, not firewall.

I support anything that means missiles become more viable in PvP scenarios but I seem to recall (very possbile I'm wrong here) when they new mid and low modules were announced that they were initally held back as there was planning for an ewar counter to missiles. Assuming that missile specific ewar is still in the pipeline then they would have the same counters as turreted weapons but with the extra threat of firewall which is still very real with these changes.

If defender missiles get some love aswell that gives 2 additonal ways to reduce / negate missile damage that gun systems don't suffer from.
Add in the delay (which I'm fine with) allowing people to at time warp out before missiles can land and it's still the weakest weapon system for fleet fights.

Still appreciate any love your giving to missiles though

aaaaaaaand you've completely broken the back that was made out of a kitkat for defender missiles.

At least they still had some, and I do mean tiny when I say some, function in PvE vs Guristas and burner missions. Yes, they do actually work in that instance to reduce the incoming dps from kitey stuff..

Now you might as well delete defender missiles.

Why don't we have functioning, smart, point defense systems? A point defense system that would shoot down drones and incoming missiles? It would actually make far more sense than a "Missile Tracking Disruptor" and I imagine would be far easier to code as you have admited you have technical problems with a "Missile Tracking Disruptor".

I can't tell you how much I would love a Destroyer hull fitted out with point defense flying amonst the fleet performing the "Screening" role. You could even have a T2 version!

It could even be racial!
Amarr point defense lasers would be best vs missiles - instant damage, good range but poor tracking vs drones at short range.
Caldari point defense missiles would be the "all rounder". Okay vs drones and missiles due to not requiring tracking but travel time
Galente Point Defense Blasters would be best vs drones - poor range but excellent application and damage
Minmatar Point Defense Guns would be another all rounder but lower projection with higher RoF.

Guess what else all of this would fix?

Bombers!

Yes, a fleet of battleships protected by a squadron of point defense Destroyers would be immune to bombers.

Also, Destroyers are squishy so it wouldn't be difficult to clear the field of enemy Point Defense.

It would actually create a lot of new gameplay.

Smartbombs are not smart or bombs at all so I would like to see them renamed into "Energy Pulse Weapons".

The funny thing is that I didn't realize that until you pointed it out!

I have advocated for a defender reword multiple times, as some sort of a bomb screening module. Bring Heretics, or other missile destroyer. Jackdaw anyone? Fit multiple launchers. lol at bombs as you shoot them down en masse.