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New player help - Piracy career advice
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Amarkir Krindrik
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-06-20 17:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarkir Krindrik
I've just started playing EVE for the first time (I tried it once a few years back but had no idea what I was doing) and want to get into Piracy as a career. I'll be upgrading my trial account to a full account in the next few weeks once I build a new computer. I have been in the game for only 5-6 hours so far, and have been grinding rats to make money while I train up some skills (it makes me more ISK than mining and gets me some limited combat experience).

I was wondering if anyone had advice on joining a pirate corp, preferably one that welcomes new players.

Thanks!

"Fitting laser pewpew beams to a Cormorant is a sin." - Wendrika Hydreiga
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-06-20 19:23:02 UTC
go look in local lo-sec systems

use the corp search tool, and set appropriate filters

join some community channels that focus on killing stuff
eg quafe central
(someone will provide a list, im sure)
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#3 - 2015-06-20 19:25:45 UTC
Amarkir Krindrik wrote:
I've just started playing EVE for the first time (I tried it once a few years back but had no idea what I was doing) and want to get into Piracy as a career. I'll be upgrading my trial account to a full account in the next few weeks once I build a new computer. I have been in the game for only 5-6 hours so far, and have been grinding rats to make money while I train up some skills (it makes me more ISK than mining and gets me some limited combat experience).

I was wondering if anyone had advice on joining a pirate corp, preferably one that welcomes new players.

Thanks!


Check out the ingame channel Red Wolf Fighting Society.

Pirate

@lunettelulu7
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-06-20 20:34:39 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Amarkir Krindrik wrote:
I've just started playing EVE for the first time (I tried it once a few years back but had no idea what I was doing) and want to get into Piracy as a career. I'll be upgrading my trial account to a full account in the next few weeks once I build a new computer. I have been in the game for only 5-6 hours so far, and have been grinding rats to make money while I train up some skills (it makes me more ISK than mining and gets me some limited combat experience).

I was wondering if anyone had advice on joining a pirate corp, preferably one that welcomes new players.

Thanks!


Check out the ingame channel Red Wolf Fighting Society.

Pirate

Belligerent undesirables is ok also.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2015-06-20 20:49:28 UTC
Aye. Got a little channel listed above that gives out help and advices to people like you :)
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-06-21 02:46:55 UTC
And while you are looking around for a pirate corp to join run all of the tutorials.
Why? ISK and free stuf as well as exposure to many things you will need to know at some point.

Oh and while you are looking around better talk to others about that pirate thing, it is quite likely that pirate in EvE has an entirely different definition than what you may be thinking.
Fal Shepard
Fraternity.
#7 - 2015-06-22 12:04:06 UTC
Now don't be intimidated that everyone else fly's bigger and better ships than you. Young and inexperienced players shine when it comes to blitzing a target with electric warfare as part of a larger fleet. EW is usually fairly easy to train and learn and can be remarkably inexpensive and effective. If you want to become a damage dealer for your fleet, I recommend training up destroyers with the small turret at level 5 after you do some EW.

From the ashes of our defeat, we will be reborn. With these chains with which we are bound, we will become indivisible. To those who showed us no mercy, we will give no sympathy. For the flames that burn our cities, we will douse in injustice's blood
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#8 - 2015-06-22 14:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
piracy isnt really a career as such, you probably wont make any money from piracy itself unless your ganking freighters, most pirates have alts to do money making things (faction warfare missions etc), also dont get too attached to highsec, being a pirate will mean dropping to -10.0 eventually and you wont be able to do much in highsec.

but as Fal (who i would like to be my slave) said ewar is a good choice to train especially the maulus which is useful in any fleet

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Warcyb Brucalus
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
#9 - 2015-06-22 15:14:34 UTC
OUCH is a null sec survival/pvp training corp. Most of the pvp portion of our training revolves around bubble camps, which is considered a pirate's way of playing the game. Check out our Community Spotlight here.
Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#10 - 2015-06-22 15:22:54 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
piracy isnt really a career as such, you probably wont make any money from piracy itself unless your ganking freighters, most pirates have alts to do money making things (faction warfare missions etc), also dont get too attached to highsec, being a pirate will mean dropping to -10.0 eventually and you wont be able to do much in highsec.

but as Fal (who i would like to be my slave) said ewar is a good choice to train especially the maulus which is useful in any fleet


I cant really agree with you about piracy not making isk. The reality of isk is that you only need as much isk as you need to support the play style that you choose. For instance if you want to be a space lord owning an alliance and battling capitals all day, then you going to need lots of isk. But if you just want to shoot up frigs then you dont need much, just enough to replace your losses. For me, I hate eve pve. I dont rat unless I am extremely bored, I dont mission, and I rarely mine (unless I am spying on an ice belt for shenanigans). In fact, I would rather sit on a gate for hours waiting for something to happen then grind rats or rocks. Despite the fact that I dont pve much, I still have plenty of isk. More then enough to replace my ships if it came to that. I generally live off of the kills that we make. Now if you dont lose lots of ships, your kills are likely to sustain you. Ofc if you start derping BLOPS and capitals all over the place then you may have an isk problem. And PVP can make you space rich. Kill a fat blinged ship or a hauler filled with goodies and your set at least for a little while.
Velarra
#11 - 2015-06-22 15:32:00 UTC
Amarkir Krindrik wrote:
I've just started playing EVE for the first time (I tried it once a few years back but had no idea what I was doing) and want to get into Piracy as a career.


How do you define piracy? How do you understand piracy as a career exists in Eve?

What kind of piratical & nefarious activities do you want to engage in while playing Eve?

Depending on how you understand eve, - what you define as piracy may or may not be possible. Your understanding of piracy, of its own accord may not be able to keep you prosperous and able to keep afloat with sufficient income to just get by / break even.

How terrible/bad a pirate do you want to be and to what degree are you willing to adapt to the consequences of your choices as a "pirate" ?
Vania Naari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-22 15:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vania Naari
I used to run small gangs back in the day.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#13 - 2015-06-22 15:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Staten Island wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
piracy isnt really a career as such, you probably wont make any money from piracy itself unless your ganking freighters, most pirates have alts to do money making things (faction warfare missions etc), also dont get too attached to highsec, being a pirate will mean dropping to -10.0 eventually and you wont be able to do much in highsec.

but as Fal (who i would like to be my slave) said ewar is a good choice to train especially the maulus which is useful in any fleet


I cant really agree with you about piracy not making isk. The reality of isk is that you only need as much isk as you need to support the play style that you choose. For instance if you want to be a space lord owning an alliance and battling capitals all day, then you going to need lots of isk. But if you just want to shoot up frigs then you dont need much, just enough to replace your losses. For me, I hate eve pve. I dont rat unless I am extremely bored, I dont mission, and I rarely mine (unless I am spying on an ice belt for shenanigans). In fact, I would rather sit on a gate for hours waiting for something to happen then grind rats or rocks. Despite the fact that I dont pve much, I still have plenty of isk. More then enough to replace my ships if it came to that. I generally live off of the kills that we make. Now if you dont lose lots of ships, your kills are likely to sustain you. Ofc if you start derping BLOPS and capitals all over the place then you may have an isk problem. And PVP can make you space rich. Kill a fat blinged ship or a hauler filled with goodies and your set at least for a little while.


well ive never really made isk while being a pirate which was directly related to my activities, most alliances will take loot to cover srp for major fleet ops so your not going to get anything from pvp unless its solo or the alliance doesnt do srp.

in reality the big blinged ships are either freighters or other fleet ships (which again usually goes towards srp for most alliances) or the lucky noob venturing into lowsec with his officer visa fit battleship.

i never consider piracy to be a career, more a lifestyle

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2015-06-22 17:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
em.. im a pirate. ive personally mad over 18bil in the last 5 months. And helped my corp earn well over 25bil on top of that. I cant say how other than not with pve.

that being said, it is as it was in history, a lifestyle, not a career as mentioned above.

Isk made is secondary. You just need enuff to replace what you loose. Most pirates have exploration or manufacturing alts, and or do those things with their main.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyjBwWcFGe0 a very good but little dated vid on the matter.

But I have to be honest. The things that make you go -10 are rarely isk efficient. Ive only managed to scrap together maybe 100mil in ransoms my entire pirate career.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-06-23 00:32:19 UTC
Amarkir Krindrik wrote:
I've just started playing EVE for the first time (I tried it once a few years back but had no idea what I was doing) and want to get into Piracy as a career. I'll be upgrading my trial account to a full account in the next few weeks once I build a new computer. I have been in the game for only 5-6 hours so far, and have been grinding rats to make money while I train up some skills (it makes me more ISK than mining and gets me some limited combat experience).

I was wondering if anyone had advice on joining a pirate corp, preferably one that welcomes new players.

Thanks!


I assume you are talking about ransoming, when it comes to income? Income from ransoming is not very profitable anymore. You need to have multiple sources of income to be honest. Doing faction warfare missions, level 4/ 5 missions, scamming, ganking and etc. To be honest try as much as you can. Give something a try for a like a week or so and see if this is for you.

There are multiple low security alliances / corporations that do PVP. However if you do not want to fall below the negative security marker, try for EVE UNI. If you do not care about your security status go for WAFFLES.

WAFFLES: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180673
EVE UNI: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Applying_to_EVE_University

Honorable Mentions:
Agony Empire: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Agony_Empire_(Player_alliance)
Bastard Cartel: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4565124#post4565124
Amarkir Krindrik
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-06-23 18:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarkir Krindrik
I know I probably won't make tons of money from piracy but that's fine, I'm more in it for the lifestyle than to get rich.

I was playing some more yesterday and dueling people in high-sec to get a feeling for PvP. I asked this one guy to duel and he absolutely annihilated me and I was barely able to get away. We talked for a bit after that and he recommended EvEMon, and after checking it out I'll definitely be using it.

Now I have another question though; can anyone recommend a PvP training plan for me? I'm Minmatar if that makes any difference.

"Fitting laser pewpew beams to a Cormorant is a sin." - Wendrika Hydreiga
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-06-23 18:17:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bellatrix Invicta
Amarkir Krindrik wrote:
I know I probably won't make tons of money from piracy but that's fine, I'm more in it for the lifestyle than to get rich.

I was playing some more yesterday and dueling people in high-sec to get a feeling for PvP. I asked this one guy to duel and he absolutely annihilated me and I was barely able to get away. We talked for a bit after that and he recommended EvEMon, and after checking it out I'll definitely be using it.

Now I have another question though; can anyone recommend a PvP training plan for me? I'm Minmatar if that makes any difference.


If you suicide gank 2 Ventures in highsec and send me the killmails in game, I'll do everything in my power to help you. Of course, I'll help out anyway but Venture KMs make me smile.

I'll be on later tonight if you want to duel in relative safety.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#18 - 2015-06-23 18:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Amarkir Krindrik wrote:
I know I probably won't make tons of money from piracy but that's fine, I'm more in it for the lifestyle than to get rich.

I was playing some more yesterday and dueling people in high-sec to get a feeling for PvP. I asked this one guy to duel and he absolutely annihilated me and I was barely able to get away. We talked for a bit after that and he recommended EvEMon, and after checking it out I'll definitely be using it.

Now I have another question though; can anyone recommend a PvP training plan for me? I'm Minmatar if that makes any difference.


might want to go for jaguars (assault frigates) with small projectiles and some shield tanking, quite a good ship for minmatar

but stick around in t1 frigates as they are cheap and good for learning so t2 guns on t1 rifter should be a good combo

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-06-23 19:50:30 UTC
Piracy has many facets, some of them are profitable, like stealing stuff/loot and ganking ships with expensive fits/cargo, like explorers or mission runners. If you fight in lowsec you can kill clone soldiers to keep your sec status up with tags. But in general PvP is an ISK sink and you need some companion activity for the cash flow.

I'm curious, are there any pirate corps with an SRP program?

I'm my own NPC alt.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#20 - 2015-06-24 15:57:55 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
piracy isnt really a career as such, you probably wont make any money from piracy itself unless your ganking freighters, most pirates have alts to do money making things (faction warfare missions etc), also dont get too attached to highsec, being a pirate will mean dropping to -10.0 eventually and you wont be able to do much in highsec.

but as Fal (who i would like to be my slave) said ewar is a good choice to train especially the maulus which is useful in any fleet


You don't actually need an alt in order to do FW as a pirate. Generally the war offices are something like one jump in from low-sec, you can hop in, warp directly to station, and warp directly out again without any real issue even with -10 sec status.

Plus, if you're not pirate-ing hard enough to tank your sec status, being in FW makes a lot of targets in high-sec completely legal that may not actually realize there are any enemies in-system with them. And it's not like the empire navies can be any _more_ after you if your sec status _is_ tanked, so you can always dive in like a madman and escape before the fuzz show up, and it's not bannable like avoiding CONCORD.

Basically there's no reason NOT to pick an FW side if you're rolling pirate anyhow.
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