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[AEGIS] The Hecate

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Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-06-22 06:21:01 UTC
Are you going to code in One Winged Angel to start playing every time one lands on grid?
Yeshmiel
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#42 - 2015-06-22 06:28:48 UTC
I think the trick to this ship, more so then the other D3s, is to master the mode shift. Pulsing MWD while in prop mode, switching to snipe when you are in position and controlling range and cap / sig penalty that way. The hull bonus to help off set pilot error. I like the concept personally, even if I was hoping my near maxed drone skills would be useful I am still pretty excited about this ship so far.
Ranamar
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#43 - 2015-06-22 06:29:33 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
hull resistance bonus.


Give that to Capital Industrial Ships please....!



Looks like it might replace the Sniping Cormorant...


Not really... the Cormorant lives or dies by its 1.5*1.5 = 2.25 (i.e. 125%) optimal bonus; the Hecate gets half that.

So, instead of getting, say, a 90km (this is representative) optimal, they'd get a 40km optimal in tank/prop modes and something like a 68km optimal in sharpshooter mode.
Quendishir
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-06-22 06:41:21 UTC
Where the hell do you get "effectively ten turrets" for this thing? That math of yours is bad, and mine is terrible.
Lydia Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-06-22 06:47:04 UTC
Is there any chance some of the blaster bonus, either ROF or damage, could be reduced slightly to allow a 5m3 drone bay and 5mbit/s bandwidth? I always thought that was a really cool property of small Gallente ships, and it would be awesome to see the Gallente T3 destroyer carry on in that vein.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#46 - 2015-06-22 06:58:35 UTC
Quendishir wrote:
Where the hell do you get "effectively ten turrets" for this thing? That math of yours is bad, and mine is terrible.


5 X 1.5 / 0.75 = 10
Agent Orange7
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#47 - 2015-06-22 07:01:58 UTC
it should get a bonus to hull repair cycle time to try to make an active hull tank more viable. that would be awesome.
Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc.
Rogue Caldari Union
#48 - 2015-06-22 07:05:34 UTC
I like how we have gone from Confessor (no tracking bonus) -> Svipul (tracking bonus in mode) Hecate -> Base tracking bonus.
(Insert obligatory complaint about confessor not having a tracking bonus here).

This ship really doesn't need a triple bonus in defensive mode. Sure, no sig bonus is a trade off I suppose, but the active armor tanking potential on this ship is out of control. Four mids is the magic number for prop/scram/web/capbooster to enable a dual rep setup. The ship will have massive reps and the structure bonus will mitigate bleedthrough. Essentially this ship has all the normal weaknesses of a close range gallente ship, but it's advantages have been turned up to 11.

I don't expect this ship to be the pervasive problem child that the svipul is, but I do think that the Hecate will be very very out of control in certain environments. Will have to wait for some test server loving to put up more opinions.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#49 - 2015-06-22 07:17:31 UTC
My corp has started roaming nulls in Destroyers lately (To the inhabitants of Queirious, Delve, Catch and Curse you all suck btw, 5 destroyers 100 jump roam WE SAW NOONE!!!) And i believe i'll pick up 2 on launch day:)
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#50 - 2015-06-22 07:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalashaska Adam
Perhaps a base sig of 60 would be more rounded.

Confessor has a base of 60, with a 33.3% global reduction bonus.

Svipul gets a base of 50 (still rediculous, should be raised to 60) with a 66.6% mwd reduction bonus.

This gets a base of 70, with no bonus whatsoever, on a ship made specifically to be mwd fit.

Other than that, I like how this looks, better than the overly conflicted jackdaw.
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#51 - 2015-06-22 07:29:55 UTC
i'm sorry, am i the only one that think this ship will be too strong? 800+ dps? there are not many batleships out there that can manage that lvl of dps and a strong local tank, not even talking about applying that dps without the help of dedicated support ships...

so what's the point in flying anything below a tactical destroier ? except for intys, all the other "frigs" are reduced to "wrecks" in front of this new line of ships Ugh
Medria Lennelluc
Half Empty
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#52 - 2015-06-22 07:48:53 UTC
I would like to confirm that I understood that correctly. In the Base Post it says nothing about Base hull resists, only a bonus of 33%. However, 33% of 0 is 0, So you absolutely need a dc (no other module has it) to actually take advantage of the defensive mode hull resists. Did I understand that correctly?
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-06-22 07:52:39 UTC
Medria Lennelluc wrote:
I would like to confirm that I understood that correctly. In the Base Post it says nothing about Base hull resists, only a bonus of 33%. However, 33% of 0 is 0, So you absolutely need a dc (no other module has it) to actually take advantage of the defensive mode hull resists. Did I understand that correctly?


No you didn't. Turn on defensive mode you get 33% hull resist without a DCU. Put on a DCU and you get 60% of the 67% remaining hull resist, so something like 70ish I think.
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#54 - 2015-06-22 07:56:54 UTC
Shalashaska Adam wrote:
Perhaps a base sig of 60 would be more rounded.

Confessor has a base of 60, with a 33.3% global reduction bonus.

Svipul gets a base of 50 (still rediculous, should be raised to 60) with a 66.6% mwd reduction bonus.

This gets a base of 70, with no bonus whatsoever, on a ship made specifically to be mwd fit.

Other than that, I like how this looks, better than the overly conflicted jackdaw.



Hecate gets a big sig so it will be wrecked by anything bigger than a destroyer. It's one of the intended weaknesses.

As for the high DPS, thats with blasters which have low impact outside of scram range. Blaster-Hecate will have worse a Dmg projection than an Autocannon Svipul.
It comes down to actually testing this. Looks strong on paper but in the current speed'n'drone meta the drawbacks might proove sufficient to balance the ship out.
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-06-22 07:56:54 UTC
Medria Lennelluc wrote:
I would like to confirm that I understood that correctly. In the Base Post it says nothing about Base hull resists, only a bonus of 33%. However, 33% of 0 is 0, So you absolutely need a dc (no other module has it) to actually take advantage of the defensive mode hull resists. Did I understand that correctly?


Its equivalent to adding a resist module with a 33% value to your ship.

Without a damage control, you will have 0 or 33% resists in hull.

With a T2 Damage control, you will have 60% or 73% resists in hull.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#56 - 2015-06-22 08:04:25 UTC
gascanu wrote:
i'm sorry, am i the only one that think this ship will be too strong? 800+ dps? there are not many batleships out there that can manage that lvl of dps and a strong local tank, not even talking about applying that dps without the help of dedicated support ships...

so what's the point in flying anything below a tactical destroier ? except for intys, all the other "frigs" are reduced to "wrecks" in front of this new line of ships Ugh

They're fine. I took a Svipul out for the first time the other day and while I might have beaten a Caracal, Stabber and Atron in a 3v1 I died to a carrier. So that's OK. RLM Caracals aren't meant to be strong against destroyers anyway.

On a more serious note, I can't understand why anyone would fly any other frigate or destroyer. It makes me sad. In this case they have taken what is probably the most powerful pre-T3D small ship, the Comet, and doubled it's power. Plus a bit. Might be fun to fly but utterly toxic for the meta.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#57 - 2015-06-22 09:10:39 UTC
Lydia Maulerant wrote:
Is there any chance some of the blaster bonus, either ROF or damage, could be reduced slightly to allow a 5m3 drone bay and 5mbit/s bandwidth? I always thought that was a really cool property of small Gallente ships, and it would be awesome to see the Gallente T3 destroyer carry on in that vein.


Please, no. One small drone is not worth giving up any turret DPS.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Matt Faithbringer
YOLO so no taxes please
#58 - 2015-06-22 09:25:34 UTC
Evan Giants wrote:
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0

why not 5/5? i mean it's gallente cmon


Yeah, I would like to see that too. But it would need to lose on turret for that, way to OP otherwise
Matt Faithbringer
YOLO so no taxes please
#59 - 2015-06-22 09:27:24 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
So, heavy cruiser dps, light cruiser tank, destroyer sig, and heavy frig speed? That's balanced.


when you put it like that..
Arla Sarain
#60 - 2015-06-22 09:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Matt Faithbringer wrote:
Evan Giants wrote:
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0

why not 5/5? i mean it's gallente cmon


Yeah, I would like to see that too. But it would need to lose on turret for that, way to OP otherwise

I'd like to see it lose 2 turrets.
And get a drone bay of 10/10.






Cos screw the Hecate, that's why. Power creep is real.