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So where is the risk?

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-06-20 18:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I was complaining a while back, gilas, tengus and cynabals doing angel refuges in highsec fit to murder them as fast as possible. I can't compete in a destroyer. These sites aren't worth it for that kind of ship.


So I made a topic asking for advice on how to kill them.

Well anyways now in the future I took a catalyst with polarized guns and tried to kill a gila, because you can't wardec an NPC corp. Let's just say I didn't even take 1/10 of his shields off because he had a huge buffer.

The only thing he looted was the 4 polarized guns, figures he is Russian after all.

Maybe I should just quit EVE. I go after scammers and farmers attempting to gank them and just end up giving them ISK because this happened the last time I attempted to gank a killright scammer without activating the killright. I just ended up giving him a 15 mill killright.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#2 - 2015-06-20 19:03:16 UTC
Its highsec? The risk is in low and null highsec provides the least risk. That is how it is designed?
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-06-20 19:57:46 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I was complaining a while back, gilas, tengus and cynabals doing angel refuges in highsec fit to murder them as fast as possible. I can't compete in a destroyer. These sites aren't worth it for that kind of ship.


So I made a topic asking for advice on how to kill them.

Well anyways now in the future I took a catalyst with polarized guns and tried to kill a gila, because you can't wardec an NPC corp. Let's just say I didn't even take 1/10 of his shields off because he had a huge buffer.

The only thing he looted was the 4 polarized guns, figures he is Russian after all.

Maybe I should just quit EVE. I go after scammers and farmers attempting to gank them and just end up giving them ISK because this happened the last time I attempted to gank a killright scammer without activating the killright. I just ended up giving him a 15 mill killright.


It's high security space. It is very easy to make yourself nearly impossible to kill, to say nothing of the scammers and other trade hub denizens with their almighty station tank.

You are not going to be able to kill a risk-averse farmer in a buffer tanked cruiser without devoting massive resources to the task, or being extremely creative. You would need multiple players or alts in Tornados or thrashers firing into his resist hole in a .5 system, or you'd need to stalk him relentlessly until he gets a valuable escalation, follow him in and see if stealing his deadspace loot is enough to make him aggress you. Whilst having a solid plan in place to take down a buffer tanked Gila dishing out 600 DPS from medium drones alone.

Awesome killmails don't happen every day, nor should they. Patience, creativity, effort, and some luck is required. Participate in regular low/nullsec gate camps and a sufficient dose of patience and luck will suffice.

The desired safety level of highsec is hotly debated here but my own opinion is that you should be able to make yourself nigh impossible and extremely unprofitable to gank, and also immune to wardecs. If you find that state of affairs unsatisfactory, leave highsec. A Galmil corp I fly with on a regular basis frequently catches multi-billlion ISK targets while gatecamping in frigates or T3 dessies. Expecting to solo gank everything you can't wardec or bait in highsec is not realistic.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-06-21 00:58:00 UTC
Contact me in game.

I can't teach you how to gank Gila's with a destroyer, but I think I can help.
Mo
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-06-21 03:45:28 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I was complaining a while back, gilas, tengus and cynabals doing angel refuges in highsec fit to murder them as fast as possible. I can't compete in a destroyer. These sites aren't worth it for that kind of ship.


So I made a topic asking for advice on how to kill them.

Well anyways now in the future I took a catalyst with polarized guns and tried to kill a gila, because you can't wardec an NPC corp. Let's just say I didn't even take 1/10 of his shields off because he had a huge buffer.

The only thing he looted was the 4 polarized guns, figures he is Russian after all.

Maybe I should just quit EVE. I go after scammers and farmers attempting to gank them and just end up giving them ISK because this happened the last time I attempted to gank a killright scammer without activating the killright. I just ended up giving him a 15 mill killright.


TL;DR version:
WAH C&P I AM BAD WAH EVE IS HARD WAH I QUIT EVE WAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WAH

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-06-21 04:46:10 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I was complaining a while back, gilas, tengus and cynabals doing angel refuges in highsec fit to murder them as fast as possible. I can't compete in a destroyer. These sites aren't worth it for that kind of ship.


So I made a topic asking for advice on how to kill them.

Well anyways now in the future I took a catalyst with polarized guns and tried to kill a gila, because you can't wardec an NPC corp. Let's just say I didn't even take 1/10 of his shields off because he had a huge buffer.

The only thing he looted was the 4 polarized guns, figures he is Russian after all.

Maybe I should just quit EVE. I go after scammers and farmers attempting to gank them and just end up giving them ISK because this happened the last time I attempted to gank a killright scammer without activating the killright. I just ended up giving him a 15 mill killright.


I remember this.

Best to try it with a few buddies. Don't give up.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#7 - 2015-06-21 04:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Hal Morsh wrote:
Maybe I should just quit EVE.

Wait!

Do you have any of those polarized guns left? Don't hesitate to send them my way first. Along with everything else.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-06-21 05:28:10 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
TL;DR version:
WAH C&P I AM BAD WAH EVE IS HARD WAH I QUIT EVE WAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WAH

get out
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#9 - 2015-06-21 09:04:31 UTC
Its all risk reward for them. High sec sites have a very low payout

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-06-21 13:16:21 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
TL;DR version:
WAH C&P I AM BAD WAH EVE IS HARD WAH I QUIT EVE WAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WAH

get out



No worries, people like him are more common than you think.

https://imageshack.com/i/5gwq8yj

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#11 - 2015-06-21 16:15:21 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I was complaining a while back, gilas, tengus and cynabals doing angel refuges in highsec fit to murder them as fast as possible. I can't compete in a destroyer. These sites aren't worth it for that kind of ship.


So I made a topic asking for advice on how to kill them.

Well anyways now in the future I took a catalyst with polarized guns and tried to kill a gila, because you can't wardec an NPC corp. Let's just say I didn't even take 1/10 of his shields off because he had a huge buffer.

The only thing he looted was the 4 polarized guns, figures he is Russian after all.

Maybe I should just quit EVE. I go after scammers and farmers attempting to gank them and just end up giving them ISK because this happened the last time I attempted to gank a killright scammer without activating the killright. I just ended up giving him a 15 mill killright.


Sounds like you need to learn the game a little more before giving up.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-06-21 18:18:15 UTC
My advice when someone insults you is to check that person's rank on battleclinic.

Battleclinic gives less points for kills with greater advantage (ie. Killing a ship with your 20 buddies or killing a frigate with a proteus)

Loads of no-skill ass-clowns have lots of kills and no points. I've generally found battleclinic rankings to reflect skill. It's imperfect, but the best measure I've found.

Just keep that in mind when you get arbitrarily insulted by null-leetists who find anything that doesn't involve f1 to be sub par.
Mo
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-06-21 19:15:28 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Its all risk reward for them. High sec sites have a very low payout



I imagine if you jet around highsec running dozens every day you can make a dime or two off the ones that escalate to 3 and 4/10s. I've thought about trying it in something fast and hard hitting like a cynabal, but popping legions of low payout frigates and destroyers gets boring really fast.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-21 19:18:55 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Contact me in game.

I can't teach you how to gank Gila's with a destroyer, but I think I can help.
Mo


If they are super risk averse AND in an NPC corp, it's tough to kill them.

I recommend scanning the fit to see if bringing out a horde of gank destroyers or battlecruisers is worthwhile. Some of these guys might be running around in a stupidly shiny ship. If it's T2...not worth it.

Baiting in something believably non-threatening and not obvious bait is your best move then.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#15 - 2015-06-22 19:33:18 UTC
You did good trying to gank a Gila.

You did bad by trying to gank it alone........

Next time......bring friends....:)

Also, with friends you don't need polarized guns....bring enough friends and you don't even need t2 guns...;)

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-06-22 19:41:33 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
TL;DR version:
WAH C&P I AM BAD WAH EVE IS HARD WAH I QUIT EVE WAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WAH

get out



No worries, people like him are more common than you think.

https://imageshack.com/i/5gwq8yj


I thought Yang's post was the best one so far. "WAH" in Eve should not be tolerated. +1 from me.

Bombers Rule!!!

Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#17 - 2015-06-22 20:01:20 UTC
The question should really be: 'where is the reward?'

Hisec isk is ass outside of incursions, and the risk there is the possibility of developing a mental illness from chronic boredom


The risk is where the reward is, in low and null.
Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2015-06-22 20:27:55 UTC
Marlin Spikes wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
TL;DR version:
WAH C&P I AM BAD WAH EVE IS HARD WAH I QUIT EVE WAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WAH

get out



No worries, people like him are more common than you think.

https://imageshack.com/i/5gwq8yj


I thought Yang's post was the best one so far. "WAH" in Eve should not be tolerated. +1 from me.



I agree. It gave the perfect sound of a WoW player trying to come over to a harder game and cope....
Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#19 - 2015-06-22 22:00:34 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:

Maybe I should just quit EVE.


Can i have your stuff? (Isn't that the appropriate "quit " response?

Alt and proud

Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-06-23 08:13:23 UTC
I've made billions of isk with an Astero. Sometimes you get beat by the cruisers sometimes not.
Luck is sometimes what you make of it.

A few tips.

Know the triggers and the spawn points for the Boss (Dread, etc). Sit right on it and put everyhting into that. Even if the other guy kills it, align and steal the loot. Then taunt him in local after your getaway.

Don't kill what you don't have to. It will slow the other guy down.

Keep a pvp ship nearby. Drop an MTU in the site, and see if he bites for it. Alternately, shoot his if he deploys one. Then go get your pvp ship and come back or meet him at the next site.

Don't use regular probes, use combat probes. And leave them out while you run the site. This freaks many people out for some reason.

One last nasty trick. If there is a Sleeper Observation tower in the system, you can go bait the Seekers to follow you into a site. If it is full of red npc's, there is some decent chance that the guy in the site will not notice what you have done and inadvertantly target (or allow his drones) to attack the Seeker. You gotta be quick and get out before they strip your tank. This is particularly nasty if you can get Drifters to follow you! Again just be quick about it.

Think outside the box and be creative, man. Meta your opponents. Local is another tool at your disposal.

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