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Seems as if everyone's flying faction / T2 ships these days?

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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-06-19 06:43:49 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
In low sec, it used to be that everyone would fly cheap, throw-away T1 ships, so if they got blapped, it won't hurt the wallet. Nowadays I seem to run into faction and T2 ships all the time. Is there an actual pattern here? Is there an arms race in low sec?



2011 was long time ago, broseph.

For the most part, faction/T2 boats are just more effective. If you can afford it - which pretty much anyone can - why would you not fly one?
Lane Wyeth-XXVI
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-06-19 07:54:06 UTC
Hell im fairly new to eve and rarily use anything but a t2 (although i cant fly much more than frigs because core>ships) theyre just more specialized for the task that you use their t1 counterpart for that it makes more sense to use them

stealth bombers being an exception as they arent an upgrade from a t1 but a class all their own
Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#23 - 2015-06-19 14:14:10 UTC
I fly a lot of t1.

So do a lot of dudes that I fly with.

T2 and faction is great, when used by people who know what they're doing. Using t1 gear is smart if you are still learning because it drastically increases the number of times you can die before it starts to hurt the wallet. It also helps you understand the limitations of your fit to see where better gear, skills or drugs can be of use.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-06-21 13:35:15 UTC
Took a few days to cool off from my tilt. Back in the fight. Twisted
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-06-25 11:37:00 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Took a few days to cool off from my tilt. Back in the fight. Twisted

Good for you.

The more Faction/Pirate bling you fly, the more likely you are to rage quit when it goes pop.

Seriously, do not underestimate the T1 lineup. The secret really is learning what beats what and what you cant kill.

And what do you get out of killing a Tris in a linked Worm anyway?

Kill the Worm in the Tris however, and I defy you not to grin like a fool as you go over the KM.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#26 - 2015-06-25 11:52:56 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-06-25 11:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaivar Lancer
Well I just downed a Garmur and a Cynabal with my T1 destroyers. About 350m isk damage while risking 10m. I'm actually very happy with the abundance of high-value targets in low sec. It fleshes out the concept of asymmetric warfare. :D

edit: I spent all evening trying to come up with a T1 destroyer fit that'll destroy Jackdaws and T3 destroyers, but they are simply too strong.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#28 - 2015-06-25 13:48:11 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans


They are. The DDAs are being nerfed.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#29 - 2015-06-25 13:50:03 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


this. i get fed up of tristans beating my damn assault frigs :( nerf tristans


They are. The DDAs are being nerfed.


dont they carry like 9 drones?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

sytaqe violacea
Choir of morning
#30 - 2015-08-04 07:30:26 UTC
I feel the ageing of low-sec population. The newbie shortage is a source of T2/T3 proliferation.
Nowadays T1 vs T1 PvP are much less than when I settled into Rakapas two years ago.
Arla Sarain
#31 - 2015-08-04 08:58:50 UTC
Could be that Fozzie was right - NS is bringing so much ISK into the economy which get distributed between our populace and we're all capable of affording T2 ships...

Except me.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#32 - 2015-08-04 17:04:39 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.


This happens everyday in calmil militia chat

Noob: Is Tama Camped?
Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there
Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship)
Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule)
Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve

It's getting old man.

Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know.



Next time look at the dudes KB first. He didn't come through Nourv/Tama.



It's easier just to make an ignorant shiptost without checking!
Chiang LapShek
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-08-04 18:12:08 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.


This happens everyday in calmil militia chat

Noob: Is Tama Camped?
Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there
Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship)
Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule)
Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve

It's getting old man.

Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know.



Next time look at the dudes KB first. He didn't come through Nourv/Tama.



It's easier just to make an ignorant shiptost without checking!


Odds are 90% go through nourv anyways
Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#34 - 2015-08-04 21:54:18 UTC
6 of the top 10 used ships in combat kills from Caldari Militia are T1.

FYI....
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#35 - 2015-08-04 22:36:40 UTC
Not everyone. A lot of people are flying T3s.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Chiang LapShek
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-08-04 23:57:20 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Not everyone. A lot of people are flying T3s.


Coming soon: t4s
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#37 - 2015-08-05 19:36:29 UTC
Moon goo is a business buddy fountain of free isk. DED sites have gone from a few static sites to hundreds scannable DED sites.

With these two changes it's only logical to fly T2/faction. This stuff is too cheap not to fly it.

Moon goo needs to go dynamic (and not locatable via data dumps) and the number of DED sites needs to go down. The prices will go back up to something that can be called valuable.

Don't get me wrong - 20 mil for a T2 web was pretty crazy back in the bpo lottery days, but when your gang loots a pvp wreck and the comment is "it's all T2 garbage" - I think it's time to make some changes.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#38 - 2015-08-06 22:42:43 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.



You went wrong by fitting only one ship for the evening...

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#39 - 2015-08-06 22:54:08 UTC
I fly T1 BC's, does that count? T2 AF frigs are cheap (to me anyway) and still perform decently, assuming you stay away from T3D (depending on your fit). T2 cruisers are semi-rare in minny FW anyway.

I stopped flying cheap t1 stuff because it got very boring flying frigs and dessies all day. T1 minmatar cruisers aren't worth writing home about. Besides, with insurance on BC's I can fly a fully fit cane for about the same price as a cruiser.
Louis Catcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-08-18 00:00:41 UTC
Reason is simple... High sec incursion. Risk free 150mill/toon.

Buy 10 plex with real cash, buy incursion toon. Do incursion. Never buy plex again.

Isk is easier to acquire as more risk free and easy to do content is added in.
Ccp dont realize that oeople with low sp shouldnt be able to make billions.
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