EVE General Discussion

i dunno high sec scares me... you "feel" safe but then bam all your goodies are gone...

i much prefer NPC 0.0 best space in all of eve...

One of the funniest things I've always found about MMO's is how little a lot of the players realize how "hardcore" (translated, having no life) they really are. You can talk to Eve players who say "Yeah, it's really easy to do this. That stuff takes no time at all. Dude, just do it, there's nothing stopping you from doing it".

If you end up finally getting the time they put into the game out of them to do whatever it is they're talking about, they'll end up saying it took them 8 hours of gameplay in a single day.

Yeah, thanks, I have my real life to attend to...

I hate everything about this post and the poster

Seldom do internet forums inspire me with such unbridled loathing, disgust and animosity

Thankyou OP

Like, you must be a marine or quite possibly a dragon slayer in real life because you reek of internet courage.

Excellent post. I think it addresses the OPs concern about low sec/ null sec. Even 1 hour block of time should be doable if you WANT to go to low sec/null sec. But I suspect there is more at play here. Using the excuse that I don't have the time is pretty old.

Whatever the case might be, if you are able to login, you can play in any space. You will probably die more but hey its just pixels and you pay your $15 per month regardless so who really cares. Unless you are a K/D whore and worried about looking like a noob.

EVE is what you make it, there are merely areas where the law isn't going to come and save you.

I don't even log into this dumb stupid dumb fat dumb game and yet I'm basically a 'hardcore' EVE player because I'm heavily invested in the politics and meta-elements.

EVE is to complex I have a hard time defining what a casual is in this game, as varying levels of investment in terms of actual 'time' offer different rewards.

Now you say you don't have the time to farm to lose ships all day and thats fine, I guess - If you've bought into the mentality that more ISK = Better ship?

Can you afford a Rifter? Or a Thrasher? Because if you can you can solo in nullsec and kill dumb ratters. Hell you can kill my dumb ratters, one guy in a thrasher kills enough of my dumb ratters, why can't you?

Lets all kill Elite Space Guild's dumb ratters.

no ignore this guy solo gatecamp in rancer in an office fit golem and violence noobs who try to get all up in your game.

Coward, for admitting it?


This reminds of a Calvin and Hobbes strip where Calvin joined the baseball team, got smack talked a lot, and when he wanted to leave the team because of that and that he could not play well, the coach called him a quitter.

All the OP is saying is that null requires more than casual play. Perhaps this is arguable. I would agree that there is too much "thinking inside of the box" in this game, but that's universal - everybody gets stuck in the same traffic on the same roads every day too.

Seriously, the best thing you can do is jump off that cliff. Put your money earning ships in storage. Find a corp in low sec or 0.0 that will take you and show you the ropes. Head out and jump in with both feet.

Conversely, you can stop training on your "main" character and make an alt. Train it up to fly a rifter, incursus, some other frigate. Buy up 20 of them, fit them up. Then go out and lose them all. Flight of Dragons has a very good blog about how he went out and did just that. It isn't the easiest thing to do, but it is rather rewarding.

Failing all of that you could join Red vs. Blue. It's not quite the same as "real" PVP, but it is quite a rush, and also quite easy to pop in and out of.

sry for the mini-wall of text... TL:DR, eve is a sandbox, casual play is hard but doable, maybe new areas less sand-boxy, more casual could help

Eve is ultimately a sandbox and in the end whatever you choose to do is your game, that said the sections and activities within the game do have structure, HS-LS-Null-WH, industry,pvp,pve, etc... with differing levels of rules and complexity. (yes I know this is obvious to nearly everyone reading this)

the point is the game is lacking two key play areas that casual gamers (30min or less) would dearly love

instant pvp
and
carebear havens

for the instant pvp it would very much be nice to have a separate way to log on and end up in an arena where folks WANT to fight and after a short while they can leave... currently HS/LS griefer corps fill this role with a pile of war dec's so their fleet members can come and go and always have things to shoot on short notice, you get the thrill without the pain of having to wait for fleet

for the carebear havens I'm not really sure but some folks really are not into politics, war, shooting, and generally anything they find annoying and want to do their passive thing and be left alone while doing it... currently HS mining mostly fills this role as mining fleets swell and dwindle as folks log on or log off, you get to feel productive as you build something from the ore you mine or sell it for something new and shiny

These two areas are very much opposed to one another and are not very sand-boxy (no neutral reps in the arena, you're on your own) and in the havens no gankers are gonna pop up to ruin your day cause whatever it ends up it needs to be LESS productive than HS (maybe trit only belts? and lvl 1 missions?)

The heart and soul of eve is that it is very much a wide open sandbox with very few rules, but it cannot be denied that there is a class of player (those that can't be arsed to sit still for 2-4 hours in a fleet) that ignores eve because these options don't exist, hardcore wannabe's who just wanna blow crap up as fast as possible, and passive folks who just like the idea of traveling and mining in space. Both groups could perhaps be lured into eve if it weren't for the idiots of eve who think that Null and titans are the end-game and feel that if you aren't playing the game their way then they will make playing it your way harder and harder until you quit.

I honestly do not know if this would be good for the game or not, I have met players in the game over my 4 years who are as dumb as a post and others who I still ask for guidance. I think honestly and openly considering the health of the game (and by extension the health of ccp) would be a good topic but I suspect the forum trolls might derail it.

The OP has a point, eve is not BUILT for casual play, and as many posts have stated there are ways to mitigate that, with safes, cloaks, docking... etc but there is nothing about the game that your 3yr old or cat or GF won't wreck when they hit the keyboard and you decloak 300km off a station in hostile territory and you end up in a clone. Adding some areas into the game that are LESS sandbox and more structure might be healthy or it might signal the death of eve, I'm not sure but allowing more playstyles should encourage more people to play, which would keep eve healthy and running because if we have another summer of discontent eve is likely doomed.