Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This dude knows very little about large fleet combat, that was made abundantly clear after my initial posts and his ignoring of my actual constructive feedback of his OP.

This man, just like the others before him suggesting the exact same thing cannot grasp a few basic concepts or somehow feel they are unfair mechanics because it forces smaller groups to band together to fight larger entities.

1) There will always be power in numbers, even if you break them up into smaller groups. To fight someone larger than yourself you either need a superior strategy or more friends.
2) Weakening logistics too much will either make them obsolete or force fleets to bring a larger number of logistics.
-Forcing fights to become simple slug fests is not challenging nor fun as you quickly lose fleet variety.
-Requiring more logistics hurts the smaller entity even more than you currently believe to be the case (which is untrue anyway)
3) Some players enjoy the challenge of keeping others alive more than simply hitting F1 and watching a target go boom.
4) EWAR exists - use it!
-Logi can't handle incoming damage - damps, TD, ECM
-DPS can't break logi - void bombs, neuts, damps, ECM
5) Not all fights have to be long drawn out brawls


All the tools exist for smaller entities to take on larger ones. Pick your battles. Pick your comp wisely. Do not go in expecting your lesser fleet to inflict casualties using the same strategies as a larger entity, those comps were not designed for your numbers. Come up with something that works! Even if you have to resort to gorilla tactics using nothing but bombers or agile snipers with high alpha and no logi. There are ways to inflict damage with minimal risk of your limited assets.

So you would be happy with just opening the kill window by a few seconds since that's what limiting rep broadcast would do?

Althou i like your statement and the prospect of messier fights.
However with stacking penalties on remote resist assist you have nearly the same effect. (we all know that more than 4 modules of the same type is worthless). Only 3-4 logi can (efficiently) "help out" a victim.
Also i love ewar.

I suppose I should have said "they can inflict casualties to larger entities," not "take on" in the sense most people seem to envision of actually standing toe to toe against. Of course they can't do that. I didn't think people wouldn't be able to pick up on that.

FYI - limited broadcasts means larger WLs.

Limiting broadcasts to squad only is one way to do it. Another way would be to limit maximum fleet size to 50 members.

I think so, but I'm unsure I'm not a fan of large WLs either way. Limited broadcasts would need to be balanced somehow tho, I'd imagine rather than expanding WLs that having fleet shield/armor/structure appear in the fleet window similar to drones in space/bay would be one way.

That way vigilant logi would be able to apply reps without the need for broadcasting. While lazy or slow logistics would basically not be able to accomplish anything at all.

You mean enabling people to see the health status of their whole fleet members not limited by WL size? I know fantasy MMOs uusually do it that way but I don't know how it would result in EVE.

All of this, especially the logi boss role would more than likely cause people to rely on it and then blame logi for failure to rep them.

It does in other games at least.

Well that would be fine if they also stacking penalize damage application.

As far as in-game lore, it would be very easy to make some kind of comment that energy flux fields in the shield generation matrix of ships can only transfers so much energy from an outside source through the shield-capacitor transfer conduit... or something :)

Also, if the lore says it is so, then who are we to complain about that mechanic? The lore says we transfer our consciousness via some sub-space frequency something-or-other to a fully grown clone potentially 100 light years away and we wake up immediately. Lore says we have a perpetual motion machine creating a constant flow of energy (capacitor) that is never ending, but maybe just sometimes slow.

The whole game is currently based off of mechanics that originated in the lore a few game devs had 20 years ago. In 3 months time, if something like this was implemented, it would be assimilated, accepted and meta'd and become the status quo.