EVE General Discussion

This has some fairly major downsides that makes it problematic. It would add additional near game breaking power to spies. At the moment, spies can share bookmarks, but there is a fair bit of effort required: copy bookmarks, potentially fly to a location with docking rights for both parties, trade or contract the bookmarks. For a trade, obviously the other person needs to be there at the same time and in any case, needs to fly there to pick up the contracted bookmarks. It's possible to do, but is time consuming and not viable on the fly.

The ability for an FC to share bookmarks means a spy could drop fleet and form a fleet instantly with someone else and then trade all relevant bookmarks in real time, without even being present in the same system. It would allow bookmarks to be traded even if they've just been made by one fleet in preparing for a fight.

Even worse if they can be traded in a chat window. You wouldn't even need to risk burning the spy in that case. Just open a private chat and copy bookmarks directly to the opposition.

From my perspective, CCP are putting the cart before the horse on this. I don't personally see the problem with keeping the fleet warp mechanics as they are and would rather they stay the same, but that's from the perspective of a small gang FC who doesn't see at all how this change increases participation of fleet members because it just means a scout needs to stay in position longer so the same fleet warp mechanic can be used. The net effect is to just slow the fleet down and reduce the fun.

However, if it has to be changed, then fix the associated systems first (eg. corp bookmark propagation) before breaking something that works. Don't break more stuff and then work on fixing other things. That's just going to **** people off for little to no real benefit in the end, since the intended outcome won't be what happens.

As a small gang FC, that's not the reason I see it will have a different outcome.

In our fleets of 8-15 people, every person is important. We all fly actively and the concept of the F1 monkey doesn't exist.

So assigning one member of the fleet to be the lonewolf warp in point, right at engagement range for an opposition becomes not only a thankless task (they'll be reshipping a lot and potentially finding themselves many jumps away in a new clone), it also changes their entire role in the fleet because they'll also have to be the combat prober for the fleet, in order for them to warp onto a lot of targets in the first place.

As a FC, my role isn't to reduce the fun for my fleet members, nor expose them to a suicide role when that role could easily be taken by a cloaky alt; which then doesn't affect the composition of the fleet in terms of its combat ability.

If someone else wants to perform that role on an alt, no problem. Delegation of roles in fleets often increases fun for everyone. But I'm not going to make someone else perform the role if they don't want to. I'll just take an extra alt myself and continue to try to provide as much fun and content for my fleet as possible.

Meanwhile the player count just keeps falling off a cliff. You can make something challenging without making it a pain in the ass. In this case a fleet warp spool up would be how to change the mechanic....what's being done now is just some altpocalypse pain the the ass.

^This^

+1 from me

Don't see it as bad change experts will play advanced game rest of us will play fleet for rookies until we move on F1 ppl will weed them self out and will not be as effective force multipliers as now.

Some ships need to be adjusted and let's give it a go.

As a small-gang PvP participant, I see this negatively impacting our ability to get fights. We use punting to get on to hostiles. Sometimes its our FC, sometimes it's somebody else in a T3D we put into a squad/wing command position. We can't send just a single covops, SB, T3 or T3D to the combat scan result; they'd surely die, and/or the hostiles would be forwarned enough to move out of tackle range, before the rest of the fleet could land. I guess we could use a cloaky scanner who warps to the scan result at range, then wait ten minutes for it to slowboat to the opposite side of the target so we could warp the fleet to the cloaky at range, twiddling our thumbs, hoping the hostiles don't notice us and dock up.

Of course, the other small gangs we encounter wouldn't be able to use punting against us.

So if the goal is to reduce PvP combat in EVE, I guess this is a good way to go about it.

(Maybe a tanked-to-the-gills Hecate with a couple scrams could do the trick though, of scanning down and landing in a hostile fleet, and be able to survive long enough to do it again.)

We are doomed if this keeps up...

Who's all yo guys?

CSM? Otherwise, just blowing smoke up your own self importance.

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I seriously hope they don't get rid of orbiting and keep at range. It's how people like me, who use those commands to keep a fleet of alts being controlled by one person, manage to keep their ships in a tightly packed formation.

Controlling multiple ships if these things are removed would be next to impossible. Alts would become more of a hassle then a benefit for solo players trying to control their own personal fleet.