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Why don't all BC's have large weapons?
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ShadowFire15
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-28 16:34:27 UTC
Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Um no...

Um..yes.


actually no

[i]Stan Smith had a snow storm over weekend guy was shoveling snow outside, so i shot him and mined the snow myself. concord never showed up. on an unrelated note, i have a court date next tuesday[/i]
Norris Packard
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2011-12-28 20:24:30 UTC
Julia Connor wrote:
Norris Packard wrote:
"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"

Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies.

what the fack! How does this relate?


Where do you think they drew the inspiration for the naming of the base ship classes? Oh that's right naval history... While history is not a good basis for making balancing judgments it is a great place to look for ideas for classes themselves.

As to why this relates? Well they have finally implemented both historic design philosophies into Eve.

Jhagiti Tyran wrote:

British Battle cruisers had the alarming tendency to keep exploding. In the words of the Admiral of the fleet during a major battle "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"


I think they got that side effect of the British design philophy into the game Big smile
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-12-29 02:17:21 UTC
And end up in frigates with large weapons fitted?

So no.......

As some1 mentioned Battlecruisers are CRUISERS.
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#24 - 2011-12-29 02:35:01 UTC
PPl are dreaming Drakes transformed to CNRs...
All attention for this topic was lost when LvL 3 missions were mentioned...plz DIE.

Also, plz do not try to be "wise" and prove your arguments with historical facts and the english vs. german philosophies for BCs in contradiction to EVE...first of all, the two are not related. Second of all, the Graf Spee class says you are wrong when you want to "condense" history and philosophies in a sentence...

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell

Norris Packard
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-12-29 03:27:59 UTC
Diomidis wrote:
PPl are dreaming Drakes transformed to CNRs...
All attention for this topic was lost when LvL 3 missions were mentioned...plz DIE.

Also, plz do not try to be "wise" and prove your arguments with historical facts and the english vs. german philosophies for BCs in contradiction to EVE...first of all, the two are not related. Second of all, the Graf Spee class says you are wrong when you want to "condense" history and philosophies in a sentence...


The Deutschland Class Cruisers were, other than a slight tonnage issue, following the Treaty of Versailles and had to follow the caliber limitations imposed on them making them have much smaller guns than the English Battlecruisers of the time.
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#26 - 2011-12-29 04:57:16 UTC
Norris Packard wrote:
Diomidis wrote:
PPl are dreaming Drakes transformed to CNRs...
All attention for this topic was lost when LvL 3 missions were mentioned...plz DIE.

Also, plz do not try to be "wise" and prove your arguments with historical facts and the english vs. german philosophies for BCs in contradiction to EVE...first of all, the two are not related. Second of all, the Graf Spee class says you are wrong when you want to "condense" history and philosophies in a sentence...


The Deutschland Class Cruisers were, other than a slight tonnage issue, following the Treaty of Versailles and had to follow the caliber limitations imposed on them making them have much smaller guns than the English Battlecruisers of the time.


BUT, were ships designed to seriously out-maneuver their allied counterparts, or out-gun whatever could catch up. Sounds line Tier 3s, right?

It's only the name "Battlecruisers" that gets to be the same....and it have always been so.
Real life examples are not relevant.

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell

Bleach andVomit
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-12-29 08:21:49 UTC
Cue condescending remark by Liang, detriment to the community.
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-12-29 09:09:54 UTC
Alll this: they re cruiser...


so what about Tier3? They are more BATTLE and less cruiser?

CCP ****** all up introducing that kind of ship, so it' s reasonably to ask for stupid changes like the OP asked
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-29 09:42:26 UTC
All the old BCs in EVE were of a German design, the new 4 are a British design. Case close! :D

Ferox #1
Joanna Cauldron
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-12-29 15:37:53 UTC
LMFAO at these WW2 references. BC was much larger than DD or CR, BS and BC were pretty close to each other in physical size, and also weaponry wise.

You do remember that this is SCIENCE FICTION game?

And as for topic, hell yeah, big guns!
Joanna Cauldron
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-12-29 15:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Joanna Cauldron
Also one thing... What makes you guys think that BCs should be fitted with medium guns?

IF BC class would be switch to large guns, it would actually balance the number of ship classes using S/ML weapons. Now there isn't enough demand for large weapons. And there are way too huge demand for medium sized weapons. Isnt there like 5 frig classes for smalls, 7-9 classes for meds and just three for larges.

Industry and market would benefit on this change.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-12-29 16:56:41 UTC
Why not?

Look at it this way:

If there is some change that you would like to see happen that would benefit you personally, then the benefit is exactly the reason why it wont happen.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2011-12-29 18:18:39 UTC
battle

CRUISER
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-12-29 18:19:36 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
battle

CRUISER

You know, I keep seeing everyone posting this, but the fail in this argument is that the new Tr3 BCs are also battle CRUISERS.

So I wish people would stop copy pasting each other.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#35 - 2011-12-29 18:23:36 UTC
Bleach andVomit wrote:
Cue condescending remark by Liang, detriment to the community.


condescending remark by Liang.


Also, I'm not a fan of changing things just because. If someone wants a large gun BC, they know where to find it. If someone wants a medium gun BC, they know where to find that too. Why remove variety?

/shrug

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-12-29 22:53:00 UTC
so give me a BC with a bonus to small guns, it will add variety.

You can call it Heavy Assault Frigate or Battle Frigate
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#37 - 2011-12-29 23:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Kn1v3s 999 wrote:
so give me a BC with a bonus to small guns, it will add variety.

You can call it Heavy Assault Frigate or Battle Frigate


Can we call it an... assault frigate?

-Liang

Ed: We could also call it an "Ishtar" I suppose. ;-)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-12-29 23:44:57 UTC
AF have BC size hull?:P

And Post-crucible an Ishtar is p. much doable with Med Blasters, so you can 't add it into account
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#39 - 2011-12-29 23:51:34 UTC
Does this mean you also want frigate gun battleships and frigate gun dreadnaughts and frigate gun carriers

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#40 - 2011-12-30 00:02:33 UTC
This thread is bad and OP should feel bad.
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