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Why are data sites so ******* worthless?

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Reimburse MePlease
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-18 13:25:25 UTC
So... doing relic sites in 0.0. Decent isk. Then do data sites .... It's total ****.

Who the **** designed this game to be total ****?

Thx for reading.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2 - 2015-06-18 13:30:57 UTC
Their worth is entirely decided by how many people do them, thus proliferating the items from them into the market.

Simply put, they're worthless because there are too many of the items data sites produce already in circulation.

Also, reported for ranting, and lack of productive posting.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2015-06-18 13:31:57 UTC
inb4 lock for rant. I have no issue with the value of data sites.

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Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-06-18 13:35:34 UTC
Your PVE tears are glorious

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Syrilian
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-06-18 13:38:03 UTC
Reimburse MePlease wrote:
So... doing relic sites in 0.0. Decent isk. Then do data sites .... It's total ****.

Who the **** designed this game to be total ****?

Thx for reading.


Why is your rant so worthless?
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-06-18 13:39:01 UTC
Data sites are relatively easy and quick. They allow the newer player to enter 0.0 and still make ISK. Relic sites a little harder and combat sites are harder still. Increase in difficulty = increase in payout. EvE is working correctly.

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Reimburse MePlease
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-06-18 13:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Reimburse MePlease
Also, the usability of the new scanning interface is horrible.

Signature icons disappear behind other icons, such as probes, belts etc.

Whoever designed/programmed this has never scanned anything in his/her life it would seem.

Please fix this and have the signature icon have precedence over the other stuff, instead of getting pushed to the back.

Thx for reading.
Reimburse MePlease
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-06-18 13:41:29 UTC
Joey Bags wrote:
Data sites are relatively easy and quick. They allow the newer player to enter 0.0 and still make ISK. Relic sites a little harder and combat sites are harder still. Increase in difficulty = increase in payout. EvE is working correctly.


Relic sites are as easy as data sites.
witchking42
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-06-18 13:54:09 UTC
Don't run data sites then - simples !
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#10 - 2015-06-18 13:55:19 UTC
Reimburse MePlease wrote:

Whoever designed/programmed this has never scanned anything in his/her life it would seem.


Completely correct, but your thread will still likely be locked fairly shortly.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#11 - 2015-06-18 13:57:25 UTC
Reimburse MePlease wrote:
Joey Bags wrote:
Data sites are relatively easy and quick. They allow the newer player to enter 0.0 and still make ISK. Relic sites a little harder and combat sites are harder still. Increase in difficulty = increase in payout. EvE is working correctly.


Relic sites are as easy as data sites.


Tell me how would you fix this in player driven economy?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#12 - 2015-06-18 14:03:49 UTC
Despite the rant level here, there is a point. At one time CCP said they wanted exploration to be one of the most lucrative PvE activities in the game, mainly because it is more active than other PvE activities, and it is competitive. Even in high sec, you are in competition with other explorers.

It is hardly that. L4 missions easily are better. CCP needs to increase the value of these sites. This could be done by broadening the loot table. For example, they could add BPOs and more skillbooks. In all cases, they would just a tiny amount of any one item, to keep the supply below the current demand from the NPCs.

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Nicholas Kirk
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2015-06-18 14:10:26 UTC
Reimburse MePlease wrote:
Also, the usability of the new scanning interface is horrible.

Signature icons disappear behind other icons, such as probes, belts etc.

Whoever designed/programmed this has never scanned anything in his/her life it would seem.

Please fix this and have the signature icon have precedence over the other stuff, instead of getting pushed to the back.

Thx for reading.

This is true. I turned off the new map as it made it worse and its still a pain in the butt scanning for hours


Hacking for isk is garbage I wasted my time getting T2 relic and data. You can spend hours and rare drops can eve be useless.
Also my hacking prot can sit in and tank yan Jung site and the ratting is more profitable in there compared to the hacking garbage loot.
Trajan Unknown
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-06-18 14:53:52 UTC
Reimburse MePlease wrote:
Also, the usability of the new scanning interface is horrible.

Signature icons disappear behind other icons, such as probes, belts etc.

Whoever designed/programmed this has never scanned anything in his/her life it would seem.

Please fix this and have the signature icon have precedence over the other stuff, instead of getting pushed to the back.

Thx for reading.


Friendly advise, you can untick everything you don´t need for scanning. :)
Fuuka Yamagishi
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-06-18 15:05:40 UTC
To try and bring this discussion something off the mindless rant, this is the issue:

1) CCP removed the interface BPCs - When they did so, 50% of the value of the loot in data site cans fell off to nothing. With no such BPCs, there is no point to still have the loot exist that was needed to build them. They just become worthless components.

2) Introduction of new "loot" - There are new items you find in data site cans that have nearly no purpose at all. I do believe there might be BPCs that require 1 of them here and there, but otherwise they are completely worthless.

3) Skill books. How many copies of "Put Race Here" Encryption does one need?

4) What you're left with as "good" loot from a data site can are:
-Datacores
-Invention discs
-BPCs (of which over half are of target breakers, reactive armor hardners and micro jump drive that when built sell for less than their mineral cost)

In conclusion, I still do data sites, but I expect to get an average of 5-10 mil from one in 0.0, while a single can in a relic site can give 20-40 mil itself.

In order to bring data sites back to relevance (I'm not even talking parity here), there needs to be some use for all the loot items you get from them, which right now there isn't. That alone would make them more valuable. Secondly, it would be nice if people who mine Veldspar all day in high sec wouldn't sell items for less than the mineral cost to make them. Then more of the BPCs you get from sites (data and relic) would actually be worth making.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2015-06-18 15:18:06 UTC
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