Player Features and Ideas Discussion

it was this way for 10 years since eve existing, until CCP made a stupid aggro mechanics change (probably unaware of consequences like usually).



"right, just dont point the target you're shooting, you'll be fine".
A pro advice noone ever thought of...

we were at this point already 2-3 times in this thread. Why do you repeat these arguments, other people already brought up and which were already discussed/dealt with? What is the point of repeating, just to get same answer over and over again?

But, for protocol, have you ever used a "real ship" in said places? Link me some killmails. You didnt?? Ok then, assumed so.

Its not like bringing a pvp machariel or vindicator into deep ratting region wouldnt work at all, it indeed would, maybe via wormhole or so. You might even score a kill here and there. However, generally speaking, such would be a suicidal trip and most likely end up as a shiny lossmail for you - why I'm saying its quite unrealistic, thus not being done by players anymore and consequently is a dead profession, which was hugely popular pre-retribution (expansion when NPC got changed).

But you know what, I guess you are just trolling anyways.

yes, because making a very very safe profession (ratting), even lots more safer by removing a whole class of pvp from it (solo roamers) so they can inflate the economy even faster, must've clearly been intentional by devs for polishing Eves harsh image.

you got some killmails? lemme see.
Its not about missions lmao, after 4 pages, goddamn, I dont even know what to say.


I'm repeating, because you pour all the same arguments repeatedely into discussion, although they've been answered already. Stop it.

If NPC's had that kind of logic I would have much higher expectations of them. Such as, warping out of a fight they cannot win.

Points on a mission runner shouldn't affect this so much.

Basically CCP decided to make this game as hard as possible for people that want to gank poor carebears.
It's not just this rat AI bullshit, there were so many changes along the line.

You recognize the pure pve-person at the *what is a point and what do I do with it*-tell.

Summarizing, you used to be able to kill tengus running havens and sanctums with a thrasher (like till 2013 i think). You could write *wanna roam* in corp/alliance chat, get two or three guys in thrashers and gank all over the world. Now thrashers have been very easy to kill for a tengu, so there was a twist to it.
If he's braindead, he dies. If he's not, he's getting three killmails. Obviously they nearly always died.
Now, the question isn't if he#s afk or not. You land, and in the case you aren't trying this in guristas space where your 2-3 man instantly get jammed (happens like 80% of the time from a feeling), those thrashers are just going to get wrecked by NPCs.

As a pvper, you have a boatload of tasks to do
- use map to find population
- get there in one piece
- jump system and dscan him down, warp to him and tackle him before he clicks *warp POS* (yes, the effort required is asymetrical)
- Now since he's likely got an intel network, you have to be quick and low profile enough to even get to the vicinity
- Be on grid and get jammed, because you activated a EWAR module so he doesn't click *warp POS* and logs in best carebear attitude.

and then you land, after basically spending half an hour to get here in the first place, and get damped to 10km lockrange, jammed entirely, or you find out that NPC TDs skrew over a lot of ships that aren't a gila/ishtar.

Then your fits are lacking.

One can fit a cloaky, nullifed all T2 proteus to do 600 DPS (with heat, admittedly) and still have 125k EHP.

Or are you telling me that those headline numbers are somehow "not enough" to handle a) travel and b) rats?

Bubble immune: Check
Cloak: Check
Battleship levels of buffer: Check
Tiny sig: Check
DPS to break a missioner: Double check


So what, EXACTLY, do you want to kill a ratter with if that T3 is somehow inappropriate.


Go look for machariel losses, one died to a sacrilege in NG-M8K the other day, or the cynabal that killed one in 5E-VR8. And that was a quick sift.

EVE is about fights, not ganks.

At least that's what they are trying to get the game to be. They don't advertise their rich world of mouth breathing baby eaters that kick newbies in the teeth for jollies and have a sick predator/prey relationship between PvP and PvE pilots.

They advertise their sandbox, big fleet battles, etc.

So yes... they curtailed the solo roamers who thought it was funny to show up in ships with almost no tank, few guns and a bunch of neuts to shut down someones tank and let the NPC's kill them. It's allowed, but it's not pretty, it's not fun for the victims, and it was tragically unbalanced.

Now both sides have to deal with the environment. Your hunts should not be about killing a guy for tears, it should be about taking those resources from him. It's not unreasonable to create a system where you need to be able to survive the same environment your target does.

Wait, nullified cloaked are easy to catch?

Top trolling. 8/10