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Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#21 - 2011-12-29 22:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat
how do you gank the crap out of tengus that make a few hundred mil a day ratting 23/7 in 0.0 which warp to safe the second any hostile enters local and are immune to bubbles? Using a blue alt is too much work.

Are we allowed to make a list of botters and post it on the forum?
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-12-29 22:06:07 UTC
employ Valve to make ENGINE that spots botting. Or contact even balance for free tips.

Hire someone well know for bot termination. You pay for servers in London. Now you'll need bot hunters as your business grows.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-12-29 22:13:00 UTC
delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?)
this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#24 - 2011-12-29 22:15:33 UTC
People this really has nothing to do with Low sec vs High sec or what tactics playes can use to gank bots.

It has everything to do with CCP once again not living up to there own press.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Endeavour Starfleet
#25 - 2011-12-29 22:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Herping yourDerp wrote:
delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?)
this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots.


And nullsec would be nothing but bots afterwards. BAD IDEA

By FAR the best thing you can do is hit the report bot function. If you have evidence that person is a bot then report as such and let CCP start to investigate.

My hope is that under wraps CCP is deploying a bettter bot detection and removal system. However if they gave details the bots would instantly be rewritten to compensate.

However, You need to remember that in game a fleet controlled by a single human does not look very different from bots. That fleet of Tengus flooding a LVL4 mission could be a single person with several displays and computers. You need to observe details that CCP can actually use to slam the banhammer on.

Tho yes in the future I suspect there is going to be a big demand for anti-botting companies and their software as more MMOs that mimics eve's market system are let loose.
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#26 - 2011-12-29 22:18:43 UTC
1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. That would hardly do anything to active pvers. They'd still get intel on everyone traveling through their space (takes longer than 1min to travel across most systems). They'd have to abandon uncompleted anomalies to avoid login traps but that would be a minor annoyance. Bots on the other hand would be completed screwed.
Endeavour Starfleet
#27 - 2011-12-29 22:24:29 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. That would hardly do anything to active pvers. They'd still get intel on everyone traveling through their space (takes longer than 1min to travel across most systems). They'd have to abandon uncompleted anomalies to avoid login traps but that would be a minor annoyance. Bots on the other hand would be completed screwed.


No they would not. Bots would move to another system. And bot with more cheap ships fit to be destroyed often. Meanwhile active players say "fux this" and go either to incursions or another game.

You know how fast a properly fitted tackler can get into a system and have you pointed? Seconds.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-29 22:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Personally I like the bots, not because of the RMT or mineral price depreciation or any of that. I like them because they cause epic levels of whinage on the forums.

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. That would hardly do anything to active pvers. They'd still get intel on everyone traveling through their space (takes longer than 1min to travel across most systems). They'd have to abandon uncompleted anomalies to avoid login traps but that would be a minor annoyance. Bots on the other hand would be completed screwed.


No they would not. Bots would move to another system. And bot with more cheap ships fit to be destroyed often. Meanwhile active players say "fux this" and go either to incursions or another game.

You know how fast a properly fitted tackler can get into a system and have you pointed? Seconds.


Some times you really get the impression the bots are smarter and more able to survive in EVE than some of the players.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-12-29 22:30:17 UTC
Opertone wrote:
employ Valve to make ENGINE that spots botting. Or contact even balance for free tips.

Nitwit spotted.

Herping yourDerp wrote:
delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?)
this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots.

Bad ganker spotted.

Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s.

Bad ganker spotted.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#30 - 2011-12-29 22:32:19 UTC
30s is about how long it takes a stilletto to enter and load system, run anomaly scanner and warp to a random nearby sanctum/haven and hope there is something there.

30s local would do nothing to active pvers if they aren't mentally ******** (don't watch intel, go back to clearing same anomaly after hostile logged off in system).

Sure bots will change to cheaper ships...good, they won't be immune to bubbles so they could easily be caught instead of near impossible without spy alts which is the case now with most botters using tengus.
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#31 - 2011-12-29 22:33:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Opertone wrote:
employ Valve to make ENGINE that spots botting. Or contact even balance for free tips.

Nitwit spotted.

Herping yourDerp wrote:
delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?)
this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots.

Bad ganker spotted.

Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s.

Bad ganker spotted.

botter
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#32 - 2011-12-29 22:56:31 UTC
Fixing high sec mission and mining bots would involve finding ways to force them out of NPC corps so they were then vulnerable to a wardec.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-12-29 23:02:01 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Opertone wrote:
employ Valve to make ENGINE that spots botting. Or contact even balance for free tips.

Nitwit spotted.

Herping yourDerp wrote:
delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?)
this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots.

Bad ganker spotted.

Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s.

Bad ganker spotted.

botter

If I'm a botter, then there shouldn't be any harm in reporting me as one, should there?

Put your money where your (wide) mouth is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-12-29 23:11:48 UTC
Could one of you special snowflakes who think removing local would do crap tell me how would you find those botters then? Do you want to spend five minutes in every system scanning/probing, only to find out that the raven you're looking for is sitting empty in a POS? Do you think it's somehow difficult for a bot to spam d-scan consistently every second 23/7 and warp out as soon as they see an unapproved ship or scan probes?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-12-29 23:13:23 UTC
This is where cloaked ships would turn overpowered. :eng101:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-12-29 23:18:29 UTC
Why is it that local needs to be removed in order to have CCP ban bots?

I can only speak for 0.0. South, southeast, north, northeast, are so bot infested it isn't even funny. There's a few hundred botters in drone space alone, Insmother is even worse.

Idgi why it is so hard to ban them. They literally only need to search their database for tengus with nullifiers but without cloaking subsystems, they'd instantly have hundreds of botters they could ban.

But no, it's terribly hard.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-12-29 23:22:56 UTC
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
Why is it that local needs to be removed in order to have CCP ban bots?

Simple. They want ganking to be easier, so they use "bots" as an excuse, regardless of the consequences over time.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#38 - 2011-12-29 23:27:43 UTC
Its not like bots couldn't be reprogramed if local didn't exist. The bots in high sec aren't using local. If they needed to use a dscan they would design that. In the mean time removing local will cause all sorts of problems for humans who play the game.

Only a small fraction of the players like no local wormholes. Removing local will kill the game faster than bots.

Removing local is not an answer to botting. It is an myopic solution for those who would like to gank pve ships and industrials.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#39 - 2011-12-29 23:28:58 UTC
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:
how do you gank the crap out of tengus that make a few hundred mil a day ratting 23/7 in 0.0 which warp to safe the second any hostile enters local and are immune to bubbles? Using a blue alt is too much work.

Are we allowed to make a list of botters and post it on the forum?


If you have 2 accounts park your alt, cloak up, and go walk the dog/play your other toon all day. Do it every day until they ignore you. Then blast the crap out of them when they do.
Endeavour Starfleet
#40 - 2011-12-29 23:44:57 UTC
Removing local will do nothing but make things even better for the botters period.

It is very unlikely you are going to defeat a bot with some ingame mechanic. Not wihout driving a good percentage of players out.

10x more important is being able to identify the botters and ban them and track where and how the stuff they get is flowing through the in game economy.

When the case is made to remove 100 supercaps from the game because the majority of the mins or funds used in their construction is bot based that is the day botting will drop by a sizable degree.