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Why I cannot go to low-sec, null-sec, or w-space.

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Adonis Lee Ongrard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-12-29 19:08:40 UTC
Eliana Bandokar wrote:
To a certain extent I'd agree that anything outside of highsec can be more difficult for casual players. We often don't get enough playtime all in a row to take part in fleet stuff and a lot of us can't say for sure when they'll next be online, which prevents us from getting into certain awesome activities. This is all just fact, it's the same whatever your game and it's something you deal with as your priorities in life change.

On the other hand, hobbies and relationships are both important, and neither one should prevent someone from having the other. If your relationship completely negates the possibility of being able to say "this 2 hour block of time once a week is mine, and will only be disrupted in an emergency" then there are bigger issues at play here, just the same as someone who neglects his wife to play a game 24/7 would also have issues.

Win.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#42 - 2011-12-29 19:16:28 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.

Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.


This really isn't the game for you. Having recently lost almost all my isk I moved out of high-sec to low-sec with the view of "I've got nothing else to lose', I've even met some very nice people along the way. Sure I get shot at now and then but it isn't a big deal. I know I can return to high-sec any time I would like if it gets too rough, but to be honest, except for mining, it isn't that much more dangerous. I would even venture in to 0.0 if there were a decent number of stations to operate from, but there isn't.

If it is really that much of a burden, fit a cloak, but as a long time carebear with family issues as well, I just can't support your concern at all, you really are in the wrong game.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#43 - 2011-12-29 19:36:00 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper.


Seriously dude your priorities are all wrong. EVE is much more important than any diaper. The kid won't mind rolling around in his own excrement for a few hours while you finish your roam. After a while the crying will stop and he'll fall asleep.

Either that, or just buy PLEX and if you lose a ship you replace it. Then when your kid complains to you in 20 years that you are a crappy parent because you couldn't afford to send him to college, remind him about all those PLEX you had to buy because he was a noisy little brat, and tell him that if he really wanted college so bad he would have studied hard enough to get a scholarship.

Dude - put your foot down. You are the head of the family now. Anyway why the hell isn't your wife doing all the baby stuff? That's what wives are for.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2011-12-29 20:37:27 UTC
You have convinced yourself that these are the reasons you do not venture into Low/Null sec.

You are lying to yourself.

You can dock.
You can cloak.
You can go to a safe spot.
You can ask your corp mates to cover you for a couple of minutes.
You can log off.
You can fly ships you can easily afford to lose.
You can fly with cheap but effective implants.
You are not a single parent.

Do yourself a favor and admit that you are simply uncomfortable losing ships/pods, and don't want to look stupid at first while you learn the ropes.

Once you do that you can actually address those issues and start exploring the diversity of game play that New Eden offers.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-12-29 20:45:27 UTC
Thomas Abernathy wrote:
Xolve wrote:


Fly Rifters.

People in null seldom have implants in- so if you die/get podded, so what.



Only noobs fly without inplants, anywhere...if your that concerned about losing them, apparently your not making much isk....Lol



I was addressing the OP, who is in fact, a noob.
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
#46 - 2011-12-29 21:09:50 UTC
Alrione wrote:
Go back to wow (or swtor). Evil


Ironically, comments like the one above are more of a reason to not go to null/low/wh space than any perceived fear of losing pixels. Not to mention the cries/whines/try-hard 'NOOB!' shouters, tbh takes one to know one.

Also Ironically, comments like the quote above are usually made by people who would actually benefit from encouraging inexperienced or RL engrossed players out into the darker parts of the game. Yet people still loudly dribble "go bk to WoW k lol!!" at the mere mention of a player not going outside highsec.

Its apparently your game too null/low/wh citizens, try to encourage rather than humiliate, it'll make your game better in the long run.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#47 - 2011-12-29 21:13:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP


Yeah thank GOD it caters to a completely different breed of coward, one who is to afraid too shoot at ships that fire back.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#48 - 2011-12-29 21:16:18 UTC
Alrione wrote:
Go back to wow (or swtor). Evil


I wish that everyone who felt like the OP would.

And in addition to that, everyone who had carebear alts that stay in hisec to finance PvP would leave on all of their mains and alts.

Just for a week.

And you know what would happen?

Not a god damned thing. The server would have ONLY bots on it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#49 - 2011-12-29 21:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Azami Nevinyrall
I will give you one EVE like...

But one EVE dislike... (that dosen't exhist)

Just like you, I am a casual player...

Unlike you I've spent years in low sec and in 0.0...
If your smart you can still thrive anywhere in EVE whilest having a life...

It's really not that hard…

...
Liam Mirren
#50 - 2011-12-29 21:48:02 UTC
Since when does "casual" mean "mentally ********", you can do lots of stuff while playing casual. If by "casual" you mean "too stupid to put some thought into what you're doing" then you would be right ofcourse, but honestly I see nothing wrong with that. Why should the game cater for zero-effort morons?

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#51 - 2011-12-29 21:51:11 UTC
This is a regular conversation at my house.

Me: Kids are in bed. Anything you need me to do?

Wife: Yeah, X, Y and Z.

Me: *does stuff* Alright, got that stuff done. I'm gonna go play some games now.

Wife: Okay.

I told here when we were dating ten years ago that computers and computer games were my primary hobbies. She gets that this is my "guy time" to just do whatever I feel like doing, and I choose to spend that chatting with friends and shooting stuff. I do occasionally get interrupted, but we have an understanding and it works for us.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-12-29 21:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Cipher Jones wrote:
Alrione wrote:
Go back to wow (or swtor). Evil


I wish that everyone who felt like the OP would.

And in addition to that, everyone who had carebear alts that stay in hisec to finance PvP would leave on all of their mains and alts.

Just for a week.

And you know what would happen?

Not a god damned thing. The server would have ONLY bots on it.


Ahh Cipher Jones, the infamous 'Thread-Chameleon' hard at work.

Last week, you were the OP.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2011-12-29 22:07:07 UTC
i understand OP's position, but listen OP. the trick is to log out at a safe spot when you need to do something.
low and null is shown wrong to most people
the reality is nullsec is almost all dead empty. you can go 50 jumps without a soul in local. usually when you see that person in local they are cloaked, in a POS shield, or docked in a station.
lowsec is about the same as well.. in lowsec the most dangerous system is the one neighboring highsec.. after the first jump its very well possible to be alone.

good hints are
fly small ships, rifter, punisher, cruisers, drakes/hurricane
use a jump clone so you can spare your implants
max insure your ship
if you think your are being followed warp to a planet then to another and make a bookmark halfway through the warp, warp back to the bookmark and log out, don't log back in for an hour or so.
if real life comes up cloak and move away from any object
never auto pilot
never afk without being cloaked at a safe spot
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-12-29 22:16:02 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i understand OP's position, but listen OP. the trick is to log out at a safe spot when you need to do something.
low and null is shown wrong to most people
the reality is nullsec is almost all dead empty. you can go 50 jumps without a soul in local. usually when you see that person in local they are cloaked, in a POS shield, or docked in a station.
lowsec is about the same as well.. in lowsec the most dangerous system is the one neighboring highsec.. after the first jump its very well possible to be alone.

good hints are
fly small ships, rifter, punisher, cruisers, drakes/hurricane
use a jump clone so you can spare your implants
max insure your ship
if you think your are being followed warp to a planet then to another and make a bookmark halfway through the warp, warp back to the bookmark and log out, don't log back in for an hour or so.
if real life comes up cloak and move away from any object
never auto pilot
never afk without being cloaked at a safe spot



Good tips,
My original post is skewed a bit towards ignorance of low/null life. So it is more of a noob like impression of what the wild-west of space looks like. I spent a couple months very early on in Fountain (BRUCE!). I'm good at transiting through lowsec (especially now that I have a blockade runner and a cov ops, but fast frigates are cool there too.) I have a fair idea of what's going on.

The dangers are manageable. It's just a learning cliff.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-12-29 22:40:38 UTC
OP posted a lot of words when all he really had to post was "I have no balls".
robbyx
#56 - 2011-12-29 22:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: robbyx
While i can kinda sympathize with the OP..... there are other games that you can and should play if you havent got the time to fully dedicate to EVE, this game takes no prisoners, and thats the way it should be.
Most MMO's now days hold your hand and make things far to easy, pandering to 12 year old whiny kids wielding mummys credit card...this isnt one of those games.

Im not gonna be a d*ck and say "go back to WoW" etc, ...but honestly when you come to play EVE, the best advice i can give.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#57 - 2011-12-29 22:54:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP


Yes, you are truly a paragon of inspiration for all mankind because you choose to live dangerously.

In a game.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#58 - 2011-12-29 22:59:34 UTC
You do realize you can be suicide ganked in high-sec while either missioning or mining, right? And don't talk to me about cost because there are corporations out there that make a career out of ganking "casual" players like miners and missioners regardless of the cost.

Adapt or Die
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2011-12-29 23:01:55 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP


Yes, you are truly a paragon of inspiration for all mankind because you choose to live dangerously.

In a game.

Says the guy always talking about how hardcore he is because he lives in a wormhole

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#60 - 2011-12-29 23:09:41 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.

For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.

if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.

These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.

Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.

Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.


Believe me I understand where you are coming from but here are a couple of my thoughts.

1) tell your wife you can't just hit pause whenever and this game is fun but the ships cost money. She needs to understand this at least a bit.

2) Casual players do not all want safety. I surely don't. My biggest problem with the game is the opposite. Once I get a few hours where I can dedicate to some pvp - chances are everyone is playing it safe and its impossible to find decent pvp. People in this game are often so worried about protecting their 10 cent rifter its almost impossible to get a fight.

3) It would definitely help if ccp built some mechanics that brought about some frequent quality small scale pvp for us more casual players who don't have hours to spend waiting for fleets and roaming around "hunting".


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815