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Lazyness in Eve, where does it come from?
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2015-06-16 20:13:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."


Plato Circa 400 BC


It's the same thing repeated over the past 3000 years. Every generation bemoans how the generation after them is lazy, unruly, etc.

Can we stop this silliness?



Besides the meta game in this game is nothing but drama queens trying to out drama each other. It's boring.


This is actually true and false. Yes every generation thinks they are better than the next. No, they are not always wrong. Every new generation isn't always superior to the last, nor is it automatically inferior.

This current generation has it's strengths and superiorities over the old, but they also have some issues that will limit them in the future, and the NEXT generation will react to their mistakes and successes and the (natural and technological) environment in unexpected ways too. And the current generation of people (who got trophys for everything) will think they are crap too.

whether they are right are not remains to be seen lol.

it's purely true. Every single freaking generation talks about how the generation after it is so freaking bad. It's been going on for +3000 years now and if it was true we wouldn't even be around at this point as a species.

The generation that fought in WW1 called the generation that ended up fighting ww2 soft and weak. There's whole newspapers articles after WW1 about how we were raising our people to be incapable of handling another world war....

Awards for everyone isn't a new thing. I got a trophy similar to that back in 85. My mom got trophies like that in 74. Granted I don't agree with it but it's mostly benign. Only a few take it farther then it should. I remember in T-ball how despite not officially tracking the score we the kids knew the score.


EDIT : MY god the article you linked are just like articles I remember reading in the late 80s early 90s about generation X. IF you look in archives enough you can find similar articles all the way back to the 1800s.

Hell the article you linked sounds a lot like what plato and crew were bitching about back in 400 BCE...

EDIT 2 : Oh I see the article is satire as explained in the author's bio.

"Eddie Cuffin likes to stir up controversy. He is the persona of a man who gets the people talking, with his cynical and satirical take on New York City and American culture. "
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2015-06-17 14:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
There's plenty of automation in the client. Repeating cycles is huge--instead of having to hold a button like a trigger, you just pull it once and modules keep going. In terms of active gameplay, it's the same control requirement as a Starcraft marine. Move. Shoot this til I tell you otherwise.

Drones is another one. You don't even have to be locked on a target after sicking drones on it. A lot of times, I figure whatever my drones want to do is their business.

There's also the afk XP grind, where you get to do nothing as long as you pay money to stay subbed.

Serious or not, I doubt most of the players in this thread grasp just how automated EVE is.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2015-06-17 14:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Black Panpher wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


I think that is a pretty white wash statement.

Eve is a game that is at it's best when you are playing it no-life style. I think it would be foolish for anyone to disagree with that.

As I have got older and my career has gotten bigger I am much less willing and simply do not have the time to play the game 24/7.

While I personally wouldn't want the hardcore nature of eve to change this is my opinion on the situation and the reason I play less / can't be bothered to do the same things I used to in game i.e. "Lazy" Roll

Good Career > Game.

This.
Every MMO needs some kind of tedious grind by design- because it is your invested time that makes your (virtual) in-game assets have any value at all.
Problem is, as most of us are growing older, we have less and less time to play - and when we have a few hours for internet spaceships, we'll pretty damn sure not spend them on tedious, repetitive tasks.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#44 - 2015-06-17 14:38:49 UTC
Blame the industrial revolution.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-06-17 18:31:12 UTC
When was that released? Please remind me a patch name Roll

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#46 - 2015-06-17 22:00:08 UTC
Probably because the average person is more productive than ever and still gets paid **** and has to endure stresses all in the name of monies. Come game time, they want to do what they want and that's that. People work to live, they don't want to work in a video game.

Personally, I believe there should be some sort of challenge to a game, otherwise it'll be boring.
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-06-17 23:30:28 UTC
Arisidana wrote:
I'm even to lazy to log on. What?



And even too lazy to type an additional "o" here and there...kudos, that's some lazy right there. Twisted

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Litair
Nleesh
#48 - 2015-06-18 02:56:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Litair
It is of course true that the youth is useless and lazy nowadays.. However not a lot of young people play EVE really, so it mostly comes down to the fact that many people have to do stupid things like work and be with their kids - which is obviously a waste of time, but their wife or husband would readily kill them if they neglect it.
This means they're likely to cut corners, so instead of watching an asteroid being mined for the next few hours, they may have the arrogance to leave the screen and go play with their kids instead or some such and only check back to stash the goods once in a while.

But really my recommendation is.. make the gameplay in all aspects more compact, risky and intense, rather than base it on how much time you have to invest, as that does make it feel like a chore and make people lazy as a result.
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#49 - 2015-06-18 04:31:15 UTC
Hiply Rustic wrote:
Arisidana wrote:
I'm even to lazy to log on. What?



And even too lazy to type an additional "o" here and there...kudos, that's some lazy right there. Twisted


I'm sorry, did I upset you?
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-06-18 04:58:15 UTC
Hmm I still stick to the free time argument. Neglecting other things will get you podded in RL....
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#51 - 2015-06-18 05:20:50 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sietemaka Sevenfolde wrote:
Perhaps it's the height of "lazyness" not to spell check laziness. Irony, lost on the newer generations. Lol

It's in keeping with the thread:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lazyness



At least someone spent somtime to go and check. So, definitely not a lazy person.Blink


Can confirm. Scip is definitely not lazy. Kid does his god damn homework.
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-06-18 05:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Grinder2210
Portiko wrote:
People never used to be lazy until goons came along



Yep like most things its eve it was Goons P
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#53 - 2015-06-18 06:22:48 UTC
two cheers for self appointed magistrates who tell the rest of schmucks what we should want from a game, you pompous ass.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Beat Audalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-06-18 10:18:16 UTC
Ship spinning is not being lazy!
Spurty
#55 - 2015-06-18 11:09:08 UTC
Laziness comes from repetition and lack of iteration and change.

Second there is something "new to do",
Laziness takes a back seat while we poke around.

If we "dislike" the new content, we want our laziness back and come to the forums to scream at the sky "God, why have you forsaken us?!?!?".

I recommend "ear plugs" or "gallente cheese". French cheese best cheese.

Stay away from the "Sansha mancheese" - you don't even want to know how they farm that :-/

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-06-19 15:43:16 UTC
Arisidana wrote:
Hiply Rustic wrote:
Arisidana wrote:
I'm even to lazy to log on. What?



And even too lazy to type an additional "o" here and there...kudos, that's some lazy right there. Twisted


I'm sorry, did I upset you?


I'm far too lazy to be upset.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-06-19 16:08:18 UTC
Is this the point where I just say "GRRR Goons" and walk away muttering?

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-06-19 20:29:29 UTC
Some say it began with someone noticing that the ships spin in the hanger...

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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