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Need help with a 2k Passive Rattler for C4's Please

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Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-06-17 01:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Decripid Sano
Orob Ninebands wrote:
Cap stability is more than fine. Can handle being neuted by multiple Sleeper BS in a C5 site and never even make you nervous.


Really, cap stable using a Pith X-type XL shield booster is unprecedented. What is the Cap stability percentage like when under heavy neut pressure? Can you perma run the booster or do you pulse it as needed?
Orob Ninebands
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-06-17 01:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Orob Ninebands
I permarun my active tanks in PVE. It is plenty cap stable with tank running and multiple Sleepers neuting you at the same time.

Also, just another recommendation, since you are using geckos, would ditch all the tracking stuff and replace with ECCM and a Backup Array. In a gank situation, ECM will be what gets you killed most likely, so anything you can do to make it harder to jam you is definitely recommended.
Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-17 02:00:16 UTC
Orob Ninebands wrote:
I permarun my active tanks in PVE. It is plenty cap stable with tank running and multiple Sleepers neuting you at the same time.

Also, just another recommendation, since you are using geckos, would ditch all the tracking stuff and replace with ECCM and a Backup Array. In a gank situation, ECM will be what gets you killed most likely, so anything you can do to make it harder to jam you is definitely recommended.


That's the main reason I trained for a Falcon alt as well. It would be cloaked in hiding along with another nasty ship I trained for named Ishtar.
Orob Ninebands
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-06-17 02:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Orob Ninebands
Not sure how much experience you have running WH sites, but I wouldn't count on a single Falcon and an Ishtar to save you, ESPECIALLY if you are a single guy running 4 accounts. Use the Falcon to help you escape would be a better "Plan A". When they see the snakes, if they are a capable group, they will bring an army at you. "Plan B" would be fight, depending on what they throw at you, but remember that you have no tackle, so probably your best outcome would be to drive them off temporarily. Just don't neglect to close holes before you start running sites.
Orob Ninebands
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-06-17 02:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Orob Ninebands
Personally, I would say that unless you are an experienced wormholer, you are just asking to lose some expensive ships. Like I said, I don't know how much experience you have with w-space, but solo/dualbox fighting in w-space is not likely to end well for you if you don't have several friends on standby that can get to you quickly.
Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-06-17 02:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Decripid Sano
Orob Ninebands wrote:
Not sure how much experience you have running WH sites, but I wouldn't count on a single Falcon and an Ishtar to save you, ESPECIALLY if you are a single guy running 4 accounts. Use the Falcon to help you escape would be a better "Plan A". When they see the snakes, if they are a capable group, they will bring an army at you. "Plan B" would be fight, depending on what they throw at you, but remember that you have no tackle, so probably your best outcome would be to drive them off temporarily. Just don't neglect to close holes before you start running sites.


Will do, thanks for this advice Orob I really appreciate it, I'll add you as a friendly on my other chars in case we come across each other, I'll send you a list of my chars in game when I get started to roll with this. I'll keep the eccm backup arrays one for mid and low slots in cargo with a mobile depot along with warp core stabs, lots of them.
Orob Ninebands
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-06-17 02:14:26 UTC
Don't use a mobile depot. HAVE THEM FIT ALREADY. You won't get the chance to refit, I promise.
Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-06-17 02:30:09 UTC
Orob Ninebands wrote:
Don't use a mobile depot. HAVE THEM FIT ALREADY. You won't get the chance to refit, I promise.


So they finally found a way to render the re-fitting ability of the mobile depots useless, eh. Geez it seems the players in eve are becoming more vicious and brutal by the day. And yes I intend to reduce the mass of the remaining statics to critical mass so that no fleet large enough would be able to take on my 2 rattlers without me not being able to escape.

But I guess if you intend to do some PVPing in WHs, you're gonna need some allies, so I'll change my plan from ganking the gankers to survival.

Hopefully I'll make enough isk to off set the cost when I do eventually get ganked or it'd be better to just stay in Safe-Sec.
It just soooo boring in Safe-Sec though.
Orob Ninebands
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-06-17 02:37:01 UTC
It isn't that mobile depots are useless, it is a time thing. They can reinforce your depot quickly or they can simply get you jammed and dead in the time it takes you to refit. W-Space is no joke my friend. If you are really interested in doing WH PVE, I would suggest that you join a WH corp. You will have friends to help you that way and plenty of opportunity to run sites when it makes sense to run sites and do it in a way that increases your chance of survival.
Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-06-17 04:22:47 UTC
What is the Cap stability percentage like when under heavy neut pressure? Can you perma run the booster or do you pulse it as needed?


Brain Eater
Essence Industries
#31 - 2015-06-17 06:19:48 UTC
I would listen to OROB. You really shouldnt be trying to run solo c4 sites if you think 1 ishtar and a falcon are going to save you. I would suggest joining an active wormhole corporation for backup, faster site clearing, and generally more fun.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47297733/ That is what will happen to you. Granted not all the time but those loses are never fun and can set you back quite a bit after all your hard work. Not to mention the ugly loss mail.
Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-06-17 11:07:25 UTC
Brain Eater wrote:
I would listen to OROB. You really shouldnt be trying to run solo c4 sites if you think 1 ishtar and a falcon are going to save you. I would suggest joining an active wormhole corporation for backup, faster site clearing, and generally more fun.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47297733/ That is what will happen to you. Granted not all the time but those loses are never fun and can set you back quite a bit after all your hard work. Not to mention the ugly loss mail.


Which class are soloable, C3's maybe? It's very very difficult to find and meet people you can trust to do something like WH's in eve.
Brain Eater
Essence Industries
#33 - 2015-06-17 12:56:16 UTC
There are plenty of groups in WH space that are trust worthy and been around a long time. If they weren't trustworthy they wouldnt be around for a long time :). Just dont do anything shady and you should be ok.

A lot of people use GIlas for c3 sites but once again people are also looking for Gilas to kill in C3s. THe advantage is you dont have to deal with perma points and you can blap the points off the field quite easily.

If you are really concerned with solo ratting I would simply do it in Null. Scan a chain that leads to null and you can get your guy in. You will have local chat to lean on and in a lot of sites have a gate or 2 buffer to escape if anything goes wrong, it is also much easier to create a resistance profile as the Npcs dont do omni damage.

Problem with solo rating in any wormhole in any ship is you need to be johnny on the spot with your D-scanning as local is non existent. Having friends minimizes your risk of being caught with your pants down as it is always nice to do your pve in your home system or a static and you know one end is being scouted.

As far as quality of life is concerned you are going to get very bored with this game if your goal is to earn isk by yourself in wormholes for the sake of earning Isk. I highly advise joining up with some more experienced players it will be a lot more fun and each group has their own ways of doing things. There are plenty of C4 and C5 corps and a scattered amount of c6 corps constantly recruiting.
bananaphoneexpress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-06-17 13:04:51 UTC
Brain Eater wrote:
I would listen to OROB. You really shouldnt be trying to run solo c4 sites if you think 1 ishtar and a falcon are going to save you. I would suggest joining an active wormhole corporation for backup, faster site clearing, and generally more fun.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47297733/ That is what will happen to you. Granted not all the time but those loses are never fun and can set you back quite a bit after all your hard work. Not to mention the ugly loss mail.



Ok, nothing was going to save him from that loss short of a larger fleet of T3 with Logi. And even then, he would have died before they could come help him.

People get ganked in WHs, not as often as some would like, more often than some will tolerate. But at 1.2bil for the fit he could make that back running a dozen sites. So as long as he isn't ganked more than once per day, he is making incursion level income.
Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-06-17 13:27:35 UTC
bananaphoneexpress wrote:
Brain Eater wrote:
I would listen to OROB. You really shouldnt be trying to run solo c4 sites if you think 1 ishtar and a falcon are going to save you. I would suggest joining an active wormhole corporation for backup, faster site clearing, and generally more fun.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47297733/ That is what will happen to you. Granted not all the time but those loses are never fun and can set you back quite a bit after all your hard work. Not to mention the ugly loss mail.



Ok, nothing was going to save him from that loss short of a larger fleet of T3 with Logi. And even then, he would have died before they could come help him.

People get ganked in WHs, not as often as some would like, more often than some will tolerate. But at 1.2bil for the fit he could make that back running a dozen sites. So as long as he isn't ganked more than once per day, he is making incursion level income.


Well that's reencouraging, I was about to lose my nerves there for a second. Well 2 Rattlers fitted would cost me around 1.1 bill isk, so if I could make 2 bill isk from that loss, I could live with it.
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-06-17 13:34:32 UTC
Decripid Sano wrote:
I intend to reduce the mass of the remaining statics to critical mass so that no fleet large enough would be able to take on my 2 rattlers without me not being able to escape.



A crit C5 can be up to 300m kg of mass left. That's like 200 bombers or something stupid. You might kill a few of them, but not all. Just something to consider. Perhaps if you bubbled the crit hole and put a scout on it you might have enough warning/time to get out of the site, but realistically it's still possible for the enemy to bring in insurmountable force through a crit hole. I mean, you're only one man, recognize that.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#37 - 2015-06-17 13:43:16 UTC
Decripid Sano wrote:
Adriana Nolen wrote:
add dcu
pith type a & sheild comp V {2 em, 1 the rest, 2 lse}
edit: passive tank implants

you only face 2k dps until the first bs is down
edit 3: since you'll be taking 15+ minutes a site, you know that thing is going to die in a ball of fire right?
edit 4: LOL at considering using geckos.


still cackling about the geckos.


DC isn't needed on a shield passive regen ship like the rattler. But to verify I tried it on pyfa at the shield regen dropped from 1.53k dps to 1.33k dps.

Gecko is needed for frigs since i'm not web fitted and it applies damage way better then the Wasp II's.

Die to who? the sleepers or gankers? If gankers, they better come in a blob cause I got something other than my Rattler waiting for them cloaked.


Tell me you have a t3 cloaked next to it, ready to die with the Rattle.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Decripid Sano
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-06-17 13:55:15 UTC
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Decripid Sano wrote:
I intend to reduce the mass of the remaining statics to critical mass so that no fleet large enough would be able to take on my 2 rattlers without me not being able to escape.



A crit C5 can be up to 300m kg of mass left. That's like 200 bombers or something stupid. You might kill a few of them, but not all. Just something to consider. Perhaps if you bubbled the crit hole and put a scout on it you might have enough warning/time to get out of the site, but realistically it's still possible for the enemy to bring in insurmountable force through a crit hole. I mean, you're only one man, recognize that.


Not doing C5's, just C4's and maybe C3's.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#39 - 2015-06-17 13:56:24 UTC
Good thread, and great to see discussion and more activity in wh. But to the OP, do not spend more than you are ok to lose because while I speak only for my own alliance, any 1 of our corps can easily take what you intend to have on grid, as could well over a couple dozen other competent wh corps/alliances. Wspace is no joke, and when people hear of a Rattlesnake or 2 running sites, they will make a real effort to take them down without it ever being a fight. The attackers will be ready to be counter-jumped and you just won't have that backup available. What you propose to rat with, is exactly what we love finding, and taking down. 2-3 properly fit ships can take down what you will be bringing, and I guarantee there will be double to triple that actually on-grid or waiting to assist. I just don't want you to be discouraged when it happens, and it will.

Having said all that, some good advice has been given already. But if you really want to be successful, find a good wspace group and learn the ropes. At least it will give you a fighting chance...

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...

MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-06-17 14:30:10 UTC
Decripid Sano wrote:
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Decripid Sano wrote:
I intend to reduce the mass of the remaining statics to critical mass so that no fleet large enough would be able to take on my 2 rattlers without me not being able to escape.



A crit C5 can be up to 300m kg of mass left. That's like 200 bombers or something stupid. You might kill a few of them, but not all. Just something to consider. Perhaps if you bubbled the crit hole and put a scout on it you might have enough warning/time to get out of the site, but realistically it's still possible for the enemy to bring in insurmountable force through a crit hole. I mean, you're only one man, recognize that.


Not doing C5's, just C4's and maybe C3's.


Ok wiseass, well C4's and C3's also have crit values in the hundreds if millions of kilograms and that allow dozens of frigs and dessies, which is my point. Don't be pedantic.

Like Nash said, everybody's gonna wanna dunk you. Hope you've got good scouts.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.