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A warning to multi boxers (who don't use IS boxer) CCP is banning you!

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-06-17 12:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Dor Cadmon wrote:


Managing 10 accounts manually is tough.

CCP has done a lot of things to screw over the little guy actually.....I wont get into it.


sorry did i miss something here? who is the little guy?

in all fairness your friend is doing nothing but screwing the little guy over by being downright greedy

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-06-17 12:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
I call shenanigans. I've been multiboxing for years (literal years) and have never had an issue. If you(r friend) can issue commands fast enough to look like a botter to CCP when they aren't, they should be playing Starcraft competitively and making mad dough, brah.


In any case, your (friend's) way forward is clear:
1. File a petition.
2. Wait patiently (the hardest step)
????
4. Profit from filing a petition.

Also, I would be slightly less ranty in your petition, if you expect CCP to actually listen to you(r friend).

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Pandemic Unicorns
#23 - 2015-06-17 12:37:25 UTC
Dor Cadmon wrote:
They mine with like 10 characters at once and they don't use IS boxer.


How do you know that?

CCP has a client running on each PC after all, easy for them to see the multiboxxing software.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-06-17 12:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Of course, I always believe everything I read on the internet. I'll bet the OP believes everything he hears on TS.

Oh, and, not to appear prophetic or anything:

IB4L

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Heera-o Helugo
Wealthy Tax Fugitives
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#25 - 2015-06-17 12:58:33 UTC
My favorite part of his thread is how anyone who questions or doubts the OP is a "troll" or "derailing" the thread. Kinda reminds me of a certain Csm wanna be
Memphis Baas
#26 - 2015-06-17 13:14:10 UTC
So YOU got banned, and now you're "bringing the issue to light" by swearing up and down that you didn't use input automation. What do you want us to do about it? We're not gonna shoot any Jita monuments; I don't think we care.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-06-17 13:15:39 UTC
i guess 10 noob ice miners might be able to make a bit of isk now...

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Valkin Mordirc
#28 - 2015-06-17 13:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
CCP has ways of telling is somebody is using a program to for input automation. And It's mechanical or Software that will get you banned.

Also how is somebody running Ten accounts a little guy? Banning ISboxer and the ilk actually HELP the little guy.

That being said,


If you buddy legitmantly is not using any of the sort. File a Petition go through the proper channels, don't come on to GD and rant about it. That is childish.


IB4L
#DeleteTheWeak
Dor Cadmon
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
#29 - 2015-06-17 13:35:32 UTC
the original point remains.

Good luck when you're affected.

The war is on against all multiboxers, not just the input automation ones.

These are good people who were not broadcasting....they were too bad at it to be broadcasting.

Normal human repetitive behaviour has been caught up in the automation detection scheme here.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#30 - 2015-06-17 13:36:27 UTC
This old smokescreen again? Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
OverlordY
Interspan
#31 - 2015-06-17 13:42:36 UTC
I Manually control 8 accounts... Been doing this for years... im not banned. Funny that...
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-06-17 13:43:39 UTC
Dor Cadmon wrote:
the original point remains.

Good luck when you're affected.

The war is on against all multiboxers, not just the input automation ones.

These are good people who were not broadcasting....they were too bad at it to be broadcasting.

Normal human repetitive behaviour has been caught up in the automation detection scheme here.

Ya know ya better not recruit for the next month or two because you'd believe every **** I'd throw at ya.
Dor Cadmon
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
#33 - 2015-06-17 13:54:52 UTC
Pixie Tickle wrote:
Dor Cadmon wrote:
the original point remains.

Good luck when you're affected.

The war is on against all multiboxers, not just the input automation ones.

These are good people who were not broadcasting....they were too bad at it to be broadcasting.

Normal human repetitive behaviour has been caught up in the automation detection scheme here.

Ya know ya better not recruit for the next month or two because you'd believe every **** I'd throw at ya.


See through the arrogance of these responses and consider that maybe CCP is actually wrong and screwed up.

Funny how if its a miner they are so quick to ban. PvP gets broadcasted too...but maybe thats sexy so you get forget about the guy with 4 tengus that all point at the exact same moment, follow in fluid controls and do almost precisely the same amount of damage.


The point is botters are easy to pick out. My point is that it may be worth pondering the astounding conclusion that they cast the net too far and its screwing over honest people. Now, these people may be slightly insane , ill give you that....trying to plex 10 accounts a month. But is trying to do that for the sake of it bannable now? Because thats the message here.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-06-17 13:56:05 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
So YOU got banned, and now you're "bringing the issue to light" by swearing up and down that you didn't use input automation. What do you want us to do about it? We're not gonna shoot any Jita monuments; I we don't think we care.


FYP man

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2015-06-17 13:59:00 UTC
Dor Cadmon wrote:
So we have these insane people in our corp. They mine with like 10 characters at once and they don't use IS boxer. If you don't believe me then don't bother reading the rest.

These guys cause so many problems for us. Managing 10 accounts manually is tough. You do rely on things like fleet warp etc. But these guys are loosing haulers and mining ships and we're always telling them 'one of your toons is got his lasers off'.

We're talking the most non-is boxer non botting crew you can think of. One guy makes a game out of the APM of it all.


Well, I am here to tell you that CCP is starting to ban players who appear to be boxing.

More than one person in our corp was banned yesterday.

Unless I misunderstand the rules CCP has done this in error.

A lot of us have been sitting by watching CCP make their changes to the game in the last few months. CCP has done a lot of things to screw over the little guy actually.....I wont get into it.

But nothing took the wind out of our sails like hearing two of our good friends, who we are on coms with every night, friends who donate time and help in big ways to the little miner, have been screwed royally by CCP for a crime they didnt commit.


tl/dr
CCP is banning non botting multi box players and giving them absoultey 0 recourse for fairness.

There's over 200 people in our corp and 190 of them can attest to the fact if these guys are isboxing they are the worst is boxers ever.


hey CCP guess what -- you are wrong and you continue to dig yourselves into a hole by alienating the people you once called customers. Jump drive changes, Fozzie Sov changes and now banning innocent miners...In the last 18 months each and every decision you've made has screwed over the 100-300 member corps trying to provide gaming communities for their memebers.


CCP fix your anti botting code or clarify that you dont want players manually controlling more than x accounts.


signed you SUCK


I already have problems playing real life on my own account, but playing with 10 accounts in a virtual spectrum, holy crap.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-06-17 13:59:45 UTC
Dor Cadmon wrote:
Pixie Tickle wrote:
Dor Cadmon wrote:
the original point remains.

Good luck when you're affected.

The war is on against all multiboxers, not just the input automation ones.

These are good people who were not broadcasting....they were too bad at it to be broadcasting.

Normal human repetitive behaviour has been caught up in the automation detection scheme here.

Ya know ya better not recruit for the next month or two because you'd believe every **** I'd throw at ya.


See through the arrogance of these responses and consider that maybe CCP is actually wrong and screwed up.

Funny how if its a miner they are so quick to ban. PvP gets broadcasted too...but maybe thats sexy so you get forget about the guy with 4 tengus that all point at the exact same moment, follow in fluid controls and do almost precisely the same amount of damage.


The point is botters are easy to pick out. My point is that it may be worth pondering the astounding conclusion that they cast the net too far and its screwing over honest people. Now, these people may be slightly insane , ill give you that....trying to plex 10 accounts a month. But is trying to do that for the sake of it bannable now? Because thats the message here.


you know developers are not stupid, they are human aswell and know when someone is taking the p!ss, its not about being a miner its about breaking the rules and if you were legit then you will have no issue in getting your accounts back so you can go and gobble up all the resources for your greedy self

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#37 - 2015-06-17 14:03:55 UTC
Dor Cadmon wrote:
the original point remains.

Good luck when you're affected.

The war is on against all multiboxers, not just the input automation ones.

These are good people who were not broadcasting....they were too bad at it to be broadcasting.

Normal human repetitive behaviour has been caught up in the automation detection scheme here.


There are more ways to get banned whilst multi-boxing than just broadcasting. They could be using other aspects of a third party program that break Eve's Eula.

Get your friends to read it and then if they still believe they are innocent a petition and patience is the way to go.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2015-06-17 14:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Couple things

That's a good point about making EVE into an APM thing. That's the greatest potential for improvement: rather than skill for 6 months for a 10-20% improvement, start a second character for a 100% improvement nearly instantly. The load then becomes APM and twitch reaction between clients and all that.

As far as I know, automation banning happens at downtime each day, after automation is detected by the client. The manual "report botter" function hasn't worked in a long time, and it never was so simple as reporting someone anyway--that type of system can be metagamed too easily.

When the key broadcasting ban was announced, for a while I was uneasy about it. But slowly I returned to normal use, and also started incorporating G-key binds again. It wasn't as harsh as I thought it might be. EVE didn't go overboard with the detection parameters. I haven't been out in a week-ish, but unless something changed in the last week, I'm inclined to believe your mate used some form of automation that was detected in the client.

There's still a lot of freedom in the G-key binds. You can record delays between keystrokes, for things like MWD+probes+cloak in a covops... and the way G-keys work, a client has to stay active through the whole sequence. That seems to be the biggest caveat: do what you want, but only on one client at a time.

Of course if I run into issues I'll make some inquiries about resolving some detection problems. At that point you did nothing wrong, it's the client that needs some attention.

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2015-06-17 14:17:51 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
I'm sorry to hear about your friends.

Hopefully they can follow the proper channels for review/appeal and have a positive outcome.

Otherwise I foresee the lock through these goggles, good sir.



which will probably take 4 weeks to get an answer to

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-06-17 14:25:21 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Candi LeMew wrote:
I'm sorry to hear about your friends.

Hopefully they can follow the proper channels for review/appeal and have a positive outcome.

Otherwise I foresee the lock through these goggles, good sir.



which will probably take 4 weeks to get an answer to


But if you never ask, the length of time to get an answer approaches infinity.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno