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Make eve free to play!

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Zealous Miner
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-06-17 11:20:00 UTC
Aminari Talar wrote:
EVE needs more entitled people and this is the best way to ensure it dies several months (if that) after these ideas are implemented.

I agree. Smile

Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!

Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-06-17 11:35:59 UTC
Ya mean let's bring all the jobless and kids in here who'll try to buy their social status and then **** the forums full of their tears because they all get the crap kicked outta them! Way to go tryin' to kill tha game by letting a demographic in that's not even remotely the target audience! Ya should go check forums of f2p games, some times! They're much worse than this place!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2015-06-17 11:45:00 UTC
If you think EVE is too expensive now, wait until you see how much it will cost when it's "free"...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#24 - 2015-06-17 11:46:27 UTC
Calling other people idiots and then callingthem trolls when they respond. Trollbait? Trollbait.

Agent of the New Order

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#25 - 2015-06-17 11:50:10 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans.


It it certainly a possibility in the future.

Even a game like ESO by Bethesda/ZeniMax recently converted to Buy-to-Play. Smile

To avoid pay to win scenarios, the subscription cost could be lowered at first, and then perhaps completely removed if a development like Walking in Stations happens, which would allow to generate revenue from the in-game vanity merchandise. Smile


come on you know the market would die horribly if this went f2p, everything would get farmed to death and markets would have to be npc run because it would not be worth being a trader, it would be titan battles online because they would be so easy to acquire massive stacks of isk through dozens of alts. alts would have to be made illegal in game because it would just be abused, botting would rise and everything would just go t!ts up because f2p games lack any support.

im gonna guess people would still want the free updates/expansions/new content and all the other stuff that ccp do in the game?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Jenshae Chiroptera
#26 - 2015-06-17 11:50:38 UTC
No.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Crest Zah Donartal
Bluenose Corporation
#27 - 2015-06-17 11:55:31 UTC
To make EVE F2p, would be a point of no Return.
the point to leave!

More player means not better gameplay... just more idiotic F2P Players.
Wraith Soulsark
New Eden Unified Forces
#28 - 2015-06-17 12:07:27 UTC
no no no no no no

f2p is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a game period.
we are already seeing the beginnings with the ship skins and clothing and such but sub free this game would be in the toilet within 3 months
Anthar Thebess
#29 - 2015-06-17 12:08:23 UTC
There is always a place to make free accounts ( to attract new players), but the balance will be hard as hell.
Cyno alts, mining alts, R&D alts, production slots all of this must be excluded from those accounts.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2015-06-17 12:22:47 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining



... what?

Chart of subscriber trends

I mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb.

Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?


That chart is 2 years out of date bro. Theres a reason they haven't updated it in 2 years.
Aminari Talar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-06-17 12:28:51 UTC
I would really love to know how people make the conclusion

"making eve to play will ruin it".

Do you not know that player population is the life force of a game?
Posting charts with no real information if they are tracking actual characters, actual active characters, total characters etc (ie not tracking relative data) is not a way to validate your position.

In fact while we are on the topic i do not recall any game going free to play eve being hurt. Eve could easily be support by an add in the game at the character log-in. So what legitimate argument do you have?

i think a lot of you are just worried about "wow kiddies" Coming here, but let me break it to you, Subscriptions don't keep wow kiddies away if that was the case, we would not have wow today.

So will you do us all a favor and stop being idiots about it.

Lastly

Item shops that are cosmetic or convenience based are highly rewarding for the players and game, its like
shopping but for your character instead of you. How is it going to hurt you if someone buys a robe to role play
and ccp makes what they made off that one transaction they would of gotten in a month?

utterly redic that you think such things, and i want to be the voice that advocates against the stupidity some
of you are bringing forward for this topic.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#32 - 2015-06-17 12:34:05 UTC
Sorry but I dont want to spend more $$$ to play eve than I already do. We all know that F2P games actually cost more to play than sub based ones.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#33 - 2015-06-17 12:34:07 UTC
you're the only one being an idiot and ranting about f2p

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-06-17 12:36:29 UTC
Making Eve free to play would kill it. Flat out, no question, slow and lingering death rattle kill it.

First of all, unlike other games, training in Eve is time based - time you pay for. Now I can create a character on a free account, let them train for two years and then decide to log in and play?
Production alts being free to play? Well, there goes the economy. The market will look like Sisi - 1,000,000 of everything in every system and all for 100 ISK.
PvP? Forget it - Every system will have 300 people in it all tyring to kill you and each other. It would be like a grand melee in the coliseum. You'd undock and explode nearly instantly - but who cares when you can buy a pimp fit Machariel for a few thousand ISK?

The game would first stagnate to levels only dreamed about during the days of the blue doughnut.
Then it would fail, rapidly, uncontrollably.
And on the day they turned off the servers, a final message would appear giving everyone logged in the name and address of their savior - the OP - who has released from their chains of slavery to Tranquility, our Lord and Master.

tl;dr: Eve is not like any other game. **** off. Also, no. Stop trying to kill our fun because you're a cheap bastard.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2015-06-17 12:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aminari Talar wrote:
i want to be the voice that advocates against the stupidity some
of you are bringing forward for this topic.
Then shut up, 99.9% of the stupid is coming from you.

Eve doesn't appeal to most people because of its very premise, not the price.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#36 - 2015-06-17 12:39:37 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Making Eve free to play would kill it. Flat out, no question, slow and lingering death rattle kill it.

First of all, unlike other games, training in Eve is time based - time you pay for. Now I can create a character on a free account, let them train for two years and then decide to log in and play?
Production alts being free to play? Well, there goes the economy. The market will look like Sisi - 1,000,000 of everything in every system and all for 100 ISK.
PvP? Forget it - Every system will have 300 people in it all tyring to kill you and each other. It would be like a grand melee in the coliseum. You'd undock and explode nearly instantly - but who cares when you can buy a pimp fit Machariel for a few thousand ISK?

The game would first stagnate to levels only dreamed about during the days of the blue doughnut.
Then it would fail, rapidly, uncontrollably.
And on the day they turned off the servers, a final message would appear giving everyone logged in the name and address of their savior - the OP - who has released from their chains of slavery to Tranquility, our Lord and Master.

tl;dr: Eve is not like any other game. **** off. Also, no. Stop trying to kill our fun because you're a cheap bastard.


he is a game developer he should already know all this ;) if he did then this topic would have never started

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-06-17 12:40:06 UTC
In my opinion, CCP does not even want more players into the game atm.

It seems like they do little to no advertising. I see the occasional EvE flash banner when im surfing, but i gues I would not see those if i would not bee surfing eve sites in the first place.

I live in germany, and I see TV adds for crappy F2P MMOs all the time. If they have the money to do so, why does CCP not do it ?

You can basically take the " I was there" video, shorten it a bit and put it into a TV commercial. Advertise even one week in several big countys and you should get a huge attention from people that currently dont even know that EvE exists.
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#38 - 2015-06-17 12:40:12 UTC
As soon as any item is sold in this game that is only bought by real money and benefits the players actual character and not some colourful skin or clothing item i am gone. I will not play any game that requires me to buy more and more items to stay competitive. I play games to win, winning is my fun, i am not playing a game where people can get items and advantages over me because i wasnt willing to mortgage my house to keep buying items.

I will never play any games that have any items that are bought only by real money.

I have also stopped buying games that are full of dlcs, it just allows games to be released half done and for the developers to charge twice as much as they would of previously.

If all games go p2w and dlc i will just go outside and get a life.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-06-17 12:42:38 UTC
Aminari Talar wrote:

Do you not know that player population is the life force of a game?


Except in Eve, it's long term players that are the life force of the game. They are the only ones who have the skills necessary to do some of things in the game, and F2P games do not encourage long term play. They're like a drug - the players are out there always on the lookout for their next fix in the form of a new game, and the old ones are left to wither and rot with a core player base that's barely large enough to keep the servers running.

Games like LOL are the exception in the F2P arena, not the rule.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-06-17 12:44:14 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

he is a game developer he should already know all this ;) if he did then this topic would have never started


Hey, I can draw a tic-tac-toe board as well as the next guy, but that doesn't make me a game developer.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno