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Aminari Talar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-17 10:30:07 UTC
Dont reply with this "it already is" nonsense. It is not free to play, it is "you can make it free to play".
There is a huge difference between the two, namely, that the population of this game wil explode
if it has no mandatory subscription.


A few idea's to allow stubs to still be valuable are

- Train all pilots with 1 skill each if subscribed.
- Train up to two skills at a time on a character, or one skill on two characters
- Get a random rotation of free stuff from the cosmetic shop that change every two weeks.


EVE needs more people and this is the best way to ensure its around for another 5-10 years.
Aminari Talar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-06-17 10:33:52 UTC
one last thing,

I dont want to hear this "pay to win nonsense" from people. As a game developer and unofficially speaking on ccp's behalf, you guys are idiots. Games first of all dont run on "free" second, there is many many many successful games like league of legends that makes 850 million a year from item shops that are not "pay to win".

"item shop" does not equal "pay to win" so stop with the stick up your butt and.

Item shops are highly rewarding to players and the development teams, they are easily the best income maker, and they are eves (and other game's) future for more awesome games like eve


and if you get on the whole "no kiddies" bit, you dont need to worry Eve does not have kiddies because it has a subscription, it does not have kiddies because of its complexity. If you want to argue free to win means lots of kiddies, then world of warcraft should of never had kiddies to begin with.
Samir Duran Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-06-17 10:35:48 UTC
With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans.
Fleischgewehr
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#4 - 2015-06-17 10:35:55 UTC
No
Anthar Thebess
#5 - 2015-06-17 10:39:07 UTC
But why when there can be subscription to play this game?
Tbh , eve will never be like LOL (never played) but i guess you don't need to train a character for a year to finally start to get some fun and not thinking what you need to degrade in your fit.
Simple example :
Eve have live industry and ton's of free accounts will simply kill it almost instantly.

Why ?
Afk miner for every one.
Afk producer for every one
PI on 400 chars?

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#6 - 2015-06-17 10:45:29 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans.


no they are not, you make it free to play then where does ccp get money from? or are you ok to just abandon the whole game, make it f2p, lose support, lose updates, introduce microtransactions and p2w? no thanks, the day eve becomes f2p and all the call of duty kids come here with the parents credit card is the day eve dies

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#7 - 2015-06-17 10:45:30 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining



... what?

Chart of subscriber trends

I mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb.

Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-06-17 10:48:46 UTC
Yeah, I'm gonna go with NO.

This is a terribad idea that would most assuredly kill EVE for real.
And you know... EVE is dying, and has been for 12 years.
It most likely will be dying for another ten years.

Is a monthly subscription such a heavy burden? Is buying PLEX on the market that oppressive?
My daily cigarettes and beer cost me more than a month of playing this game.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Samir Duran Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-06-17 10:51:04 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining



... what?

Chart of subscriber trends

I mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb.

Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?


It' s been 2.5 years since that graph got updated, ever wonder why?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#10 - 2015-06-17 10:52:12 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining



... what?

Chart of subscriber trends

I mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb.

Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?


It' s been 2.5 years since that graph got updated, ever wonder why?


so where do ccp get money for running f2p?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-06-17 10:54:00 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining



... what?

Chart of subscriber trends

I mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb.

Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?



That chart is old, dude.

But yes, any guess about subscription numbers is like reading into tea leaves, but we have the login numbers and those are currently only going one way, the wrong way.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-17 10:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Aminari Talar wrote:
Dont reply with this "it already is" nonsense. It is not free to play, it is "you can make it free to play".
There is a huge difference between the two, namely, that the population of this game wil explode
if it has no mandatory subscription.


A few idea's to allow stubs to still be valuable are

- Train all pilots with 1 skill each if subscribed.
- Train up to two skills at a time on a character, or one skill on two characters
- Get a random rotation of free stuff from the cosmetic shop that change every two weeks.


EVE needs more people and this is the best way to ensure its around for another 5-10 years.


Soooo... I could have 10 characters doing exploration ?! - \o/

Seriously though - do you even imagine what that would would do to the EVE market, industry and warfare?
It'd be Asakai every Thursdays at 5 o'clock... You wouldn't find a pebble of Veldspar anywhere... 100 gankers per system and all that jazz...

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#13 - 2015-06-17 10:55:17 UTC
Aminari Talar wrote:
one last thing,

I dont want to hear this "pay to win nonsense" from people. As a game developer and unofficially speaking on ccp's behalf, you guys are idiots. Games first of all dont run on "free" second, there is many many many successful games like league of legends that makes 850 million a year from item shops that are not "pay to win".

"item shop" does not equal "pay to win" so stop with the stick up your butt and.

Item shops are highly rewarding to players and the development teams, they are easily the best income maker, and they are eves (and other game's) future for more awesome games like eve


and if you get on the whole "no kiddies" bit, you dont need to worry Eve does not have kiddies because it has a subscription, it does not have kiddies because of its complexity. If you want to argue free to win means lots of kiddies, then world of warcraft should of never had kiddies to begin with.


if you are a game developer then you should have no problem paying a subscription, idea, link your most successful game you have worked on which is free

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2015-06-17 10:59:28 UTC
Subscription mmo's go free to play when the publisher realize the game isn't worth paying for I.e. when they die.

Eve is worth paying for, I would like it to remain so.

No.

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-06-17 11:03:24 UTC
If the gameplay is still crappy, it doesn't matter how free you make it. I think that's the real issue with Eve.
Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
#16 - 2015-06-17 11:08:56 UTC
Aminari Talar wrote:
one last thing,

I dont want to hear this "pay to win nonsense" from people. As a game developer and unofficially speaking on ccp's behalf, you guys are idiots. Games first of all dont run on "free" second, there is many many many successful games like league of legends that makes 850 million a year from item shops that are not "pay to win".

"item shop" does not equal "pay to win" so stop with the stick up your butt and.

Item shops are highly rewarding to players and the development teams, they are easily the best income maker, and they are eves (and other game's) future for more awesome games like eve


and if you get on the whole "no kiddies" bit, you dont need to worry Eve does not have kiddies because it has a subscription, it does not have kiddies because of its complexity. If you want to argue free to win means lots of kiddies, then world of warcraft should of never had kiddies to begin with.


It's always a pleasure to discuss a well-researched, thought-over, nicely-expressed, reasonably-stressed idea.

... No, really.

Here comes a time, ganker,

When blingfits cease to sparkle,

When hermophite looses its luster,

When the station hangar becomes a prison

And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#17 - 2015-06-17 11:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans.


It it certainly a possibility in the future.

Even a game like ESO by Bethesda/ZeniMax recently converted to Buy-to-Play. Smile

To avoid pay to win scenarios, the subscription cost could be lowered at first, and then perhaps completely removed if a development like Walking in Stations happens, which would allow to generate revenue from the in-game vanity merchandise. Smile

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#18 - 2015-06-17 11:11:15 UTC
Go away
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#19 - 2015-06-17 11:15:22 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Subscription mmo's go free to play when the publisher realize the game isn't worth paying for I.e. when they die.

Eve is worth paying for, I would like it to remain so.

No.


Pretty much this. It's worth paying for.

Making something free doesn't translate to a prospering game in my opinion. You'll get more people, but far less money. The only way to compensate is to flood the game with purchasable extras, microtransactions, etc as a result.

Need to keep in mind that subs/plex and the value they holds within game really is the backbone for much of the economy here. It flows onto everything, the cost of your ship, the risk in losing stuff, the joy when you kill someone elses stuff. To make it free to play isn't asking for a better game, it's asking for a different game all together.

EVE isn't the game for everyone (non-payers), and that's fine. Plenty of variety and free space MMOs out there.

Also plenty of other ways to draw in fresh subscribers if they really wanted to.

🍌

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Erebus Neclan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-06-17 11:18:59 UTC
Why would you care?

http://gyazo.com/8fc9cbd81018ba0ec91c5f9745c2e754

Just log your main to sub!

Oh wait.
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