EVE General Discussion

Don't forget also that a patent was filed a few years back which allowed programs to design in a kind of "file decay" ergo files have a life span and will NEED to be replaced renewed or repurchased because the file literally corrupted itself "due to age".

yeah i cant afford to spend 2.5k on a mac when i can get a better system for half that price ;)

Goodbye.
Ps.
Buy normal PC, and not overpriced sh$!@ that you actually not own ( read the license).
Yes windows is sh$!@ , but we have Linux!

Dear OP,

Just get an Amiga, a 68060 & PPC accelerator card, something like a cybervision 64, install unix + wine and then run Eve under wine.

Or there's always bootcamp. https://www.apple.com/ca/support/bootcamp/

The really fun part is that it's not really a premium price, and that the components have a tendency to last hell of lot longer than what you should expect from almost any other brand PC. If all you wanted was the OS, you could get almost anything, and the “wrapper” serves a very handy purpose.

That's some seriously faint praise as dell, gateway, alienware, HP are all crap too. You pull a mac apart and you see cheap crap components. Even the high end mac pros use cheap components (especially in the PSU). I can't tell you the number of capacitors I've had to replace because Apple insists on using **** Taiwanese caps.

Falcon northwest and a few other computer boutiques producers build far better quality machines then apple for roughly the same price. Even alienware was good at one point. That is before Dell bought alienware and changed the components to the same as what you get in a regular dell laptop or desktop.

The only machine I've bought in the last 10 years prebuilt was a dell inspiron 15r SE (7520) that I ended up getting shipped to my front door almost 3 years ago for $500. I did spend some time trying to find the path that gave me the cheapest price then I slammed all kinds of discounts on it. Still going strong and still gaming strong (BF4/tera/city skylines/beam ng drive/etc). Then again I have a HP laptop with a single core turion in it that I used before that AND gamed with (till CCP changed to shader 3.0). That laptop is still going strong 12 years later. I'm trying to figure out a use for the hardware right now.

See I don't have issues with machines dying I have issues with machines becoming so horribly outdated that I can't even find a use for them. So I'm not impressed when you try to claim that macs "last a hell of a lot longer".

Currently at work we have a mixed environment of about (I don't have the inventory sheets at home) 250 PCs from dell and HP. We have about 30 all in one macs and out of those macs 5 of them are down (we're thinking due to a design flaw). We're waiting on apple to come and fix those under warranty. Most of the dell and HP desktops are old enough to be well out of warranty so we just cannibalize the parts when one does finally kick it.


EDIT : I still believe that in the end the owner and environment have a massive impact on the lifespawn of an electronic device. You can design the best cooling system ever but if the owner doesn't clean it out occasionally it'll eventually overheat.

Yes most computers do have to various degrees an allergy to sudden concrete.I agree that you're awful at building computers so I strongly advise you buy your PCs from a quality botique or someone like me that knows how to build machines properly. I run overclocks so I tend to run aftermarket fans. My current preference is the CM hyper 212+ evo which can be bought for 25 bucks. It's cheap, quieter then stock, allows for the "turbo boost" to extend longer/farther and it's good insurance for the future. I used to spend a little time to lap the older hyper 212s but the new ones are smooth out of the box.

The 5 macs I mentioned earlier are imacs and have the same display problem. We reset the PRAM/VRAM ,SMC and all that so we're thinking it's a hardware flaw as has happened in the past with Macs we've had. The one thing that frustrates me the most with apple is their refusal to admit a design flaw or exploit till years after the fact. You know once those machines effected are out of warranty...

Maybe you can help me then. I have my old systems gathering dust due to a lack of use. One is a p3-500 based system and the other is an athlon xp +2400 based machine. Any suggestions for them? I found a use for my old dual core in the bedroom for video and audio. I like to fall to sleep to the sound of rain and that machines works perfectly in concert with my old surround system to provide a virtual rainstorm on notice :)

I'm not attacking the platform I'm attacking the awful component quality and to a lesser extent the build quality you get for the price. Since the discussion was about macs I shared some mac related experiences. Make a thread about how awful Dells are and I might share some of the shining examples of interactions with Dell owners.

I ran a hackintosh for years but it basically ended up being purely a "look at what I can do" thing as I could do everything in windows or linux. At one point for giggles I modified an XP install to look like OSx. Booting into that install always got me some funny reactions.

Brace yourselves gentlemen. It's taken 4 pages but the platform war is finally heating up.

get a pc.....hipster.

You're the one that said you can't build a PC that lasts without overspending. I have no issue building better quality PCs for cheaper than Apple.


Spend 30 seconds googling "mac design flaw" and you'll find pages of flaws and exploits that Apple has denied for years. It shouldn't be a surprise that Apple refuses to acknowledge expoits in OSx and other software. Apple has made it a point to build this aura of invulnerability to exploits and acknowledging them like Microsoft does would undermine that talking point. So instead Apple pretends this stuff doesn't exist and generally only fixes the big ones that get the attention of the press.




I already have those covered. I also already have a hardware based firewall for my home network. I'm on the verge of tossing the components due to being unable to find a use for them in the last couple years. My old electronics pile is getting too big and I need more room for fun projects :P



EDIT : I want to add that while MS is pretty decent about acknowledge exploits and fixing it they can be just as hard headed as Apple when it comes to some stuff.