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Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#1 - 2015-06-16 07:34:09 UTC

Sup folks, My main was getting ready to try C4's with some not to sure about friends in 3 RR domis. I lamented many times wishing I had a ship that I could fly that could do it solo. I started googling then spotted a video ran by a fella named Kieth Plankc and became literally enchanted with the Rattlesnake. I checked my skills, all drones skills are maxed, Galentee BS maxed, Armor & Shield are near maxed but no Caldari or missiles trained. I wasted no time plugging in Caldari ship skills and missiles.

I figured I'll get Caldari BS and missiles support skills to Lev 4 to start, get T2 Cruise Missiles trained and give it a go in sigh...52 more days. With Geckos all do max damage, but only sub-par damage with missiles. With a 1.42k dps pure passive fit I would only be able to dish out around 700 dps with my skills (in 52 days.....sigh).

The question I need to ask to satisfy my nerves is, would this be enough dps & tank to solo most of C4's? The fit I'll be using is this:

Rattler Passive C4 fit

Highs
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Drone Link Augmentor II

Mids
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflector Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II

Lows
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Rigs
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Drones
Gecko
3x Wasps II
2x Wardens II

I'll be using Siege/Skirm links to reduce that sig down to 372 and increase the shield resist for a 1.66k dps passive shield regen. Also I'll carry a Mobile Depot with MJD, TC, BCU, 6x Stabs and DDAs. Any fits, suggestions are appreciated. Thanks

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Amak Boma Dragon Factory xX SERENITY Xx Likes received: 230	#2 - 2015-06-16 08:42:25 UTC kick shield recharger and add if eoungh cpu/power grid large ancillary shield booster or another shield extender .

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Adriana Nolen Sama Guild Likes received: 118	#3 - 2015-06-16 09:16:14 UTC \| Edited by: Adriana Nolen add dcu pith type a & sheild comp V {2 em, 1 the rest, 2 lse} edit: passive tank implants you only face 2k dps until the first bs is down edit 3: since you'll be taking 15+ minutes a site, you know that thing is going to die in a ball of fire right? edit 4: LOL at considering using geckos. still cackling about the geckos.

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#4 - 2015-06-16 10:05:26 UTC

Adriana Nolen wrote:

add dcu
pith type a & sheild comp V {2 em, 1 the rest, 2 lse}
edit: passive tank implants

you only face 2k dps until the first bs is down
edit 3: since you'll be taking 15+ minutes a site, you know that thing is going to die in a ball of fire right?
edit 4: LOL at considering using geckos.

still cackling about the geckos.

DC isn't needed on a shield passive regen ship like the rattler. But to verify I tried it on pyfa at the shield regen dropped from 1.53k dps to 1.33k dps.

Gecko is needed for frigs since i'm not web fitted and it applies damage way better then the Wasp II's.

Die to who? the sleepers or gankers? If gankers, they better come in a blob cause I got something other than my Rattler waiting for them cloaked.

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#5 - 2015-06-16 10:28:00 UTC | Edited by: Decripid Sano

Amak Boma wrote:

kick shield recharger and add if eoungh cpu/power grid large ancillary shield booster or another shield extender .

Oh, now that presents some very interesting possibilities. How about this fit Amak

Rattler Passive C4 fit

Highs
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno
Drone Link Augmentor II

Mids
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflector Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster ~ Navy 400

Lows
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Rigs
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Drones
Gecko
3x Wasps II
2x Wardens II

EHP is 107k with a passive shield tank for 926 dps. If I drop the third LSE for a Shield Recharger II the EHP is 96k with a passive shield tank for 1022 dps.

HoruSeth

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 1,078

#6 - 2015-06-16 10:36:32 UTC

your problem might not be the tank. Your problem might be the damage to break sleepers remote rep.
1.66k passive recharge from your first fit is enough for the anoms, but if you do not have drone Skilly and Missile Skills to V it can be hard to break the RR-Tank from the the sleepers to finish the site!

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#7 - 2015-06-16 10:40:10 UTC | Edited by: Decripid Sano

HoruSeth wrote:

I have a second toon with the same skill set as my RR domi that is also training for the Rattler, so what if I use 2 Rattlers with the first fit? um replacing the Gecko with Bouncer II's

Orob Ninebands

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 57

#8 - 2015-06-16 12:47:23 UTC | Edited by: Orob Ninebands

You can do it with two Rattlesnakes with Geckos. I've run C5 sites with two Rattlesnakes using Geckos. Different fit however, and died to a gank, but yes, you can absolutely do it with two snakes with geckos.

Here is the fit that I was using:

[Rattlesnake, Orob Ninebands's Rattlesnake]
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II

Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I,Tracking Speed Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Large Egress Port Maximizer II

It's expensive, but it works.
Good luck.

Jonn Duune

OpSec.

Wrong Hole.

Likes received: 66

#9 - 2015-06-16 17:40:04 UTC

Orob Ninebands wrote:

That's not even half bad for dualboxing c5 sites... trust me.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

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Jack Miton School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 5,031	#10 - 2015-06-16 22:07:24 UTC 1 This thread is PVE fitting gold.... There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#11 - 2015-06-17 00:03:07 UTC | Edited by: Decripid Sano

Jonn Duune wrote:

Orob Ninebands wrote:

That's not even half bad for dualboxing c5 sites... trust me.

This fit is extremely tempting since I have max drones & RR skills, but can't use missiles atm. But this post and the one below scares me a bit. Please tell me Jonn, will this work for C4's? Of course I'd tone the fit down a bit to fit my budget but gosh the possibilities are making me lose sleep pondering if I should give this a go.

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#12 - 2015-06-17 00:07:03 UTC

Orob Ninebands wrote:

I heard the sleepers in C4's keep range up tp 100k. Is another DLA II needed for C4's and maybe a prop mode to keep within drone control range?

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Phoenix Jones Small-Arms Fire Likes received: 1,637	#13 - 2015-06-17 00:17:00 UTC 2 You need to add more purple to the fit. You can reach the sleepers at that point. Yaay!!!!

Orob Ninebands

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 57

#14 - 2015-06-17 01:06:05 UTC | Edited by: Orob Ninebands

Never had any issues with range. Trust me, the Sleepers will move in close enough. Assuming you have semi-decent drone skills, my fit will work. C4 won't even be any sort of challenge, and neither will a C5. Just remember, its a dualboxing fit, so don't try it with just one Rattlesnake. The biggest downside really is that it does take a little bit of time to clear the sites due to the less than desirable DPS for those sites. It will definitely take you longer than it will a fleet of 4 RR Domis, but if solo/dualbox is what you are trying to do, this will work fine. I would also recommend you carry some blue pill, just in case you need some boost to your tank. You shouldn't need the blue pill for C4 sites, but if you try C5s, I would definitely have some on hand. Also, for that inevitable gank when someone sees your snakes on D-Scan, the blue pill might help you out. Might... :)

And to Phoenix Jones who made the "purple" comment, there is no purple on this fit. Shame on you. I figured an Iso5 guy would know the difference between deadspace and officer mods. Still, it is plenty expensive...

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#15 - 2015-06-17 01:13:58 UTC

Was thinking something along these lines for the dual-boxing RR Rattlers doing C4's. Can I get some non-trolling feedback from this fit please.

Rattlesnake, Decripid Sano's poorman Rattlesnake]
Dyad Co-Processor I
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II

Gist B-Type 100 MN AB
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I,Tracking Speed Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Large Egress Port Maximizer II


Orob Ninebands Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 57	#16 - 2015-06-17 01:23:41 UTC I would say, ditch the prop mod for another Adaptive Invuln II (you don't need to chase the Sleepers around and the prop mod doesn't make you fast enough to matter or escape a gank anyways), carry some standard blue pill, and that should work fine in a C4. Stay out of C5 sites with it though.

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#17 - 2015-06-17 01:24:48 UTC

Orob Ninebands wrote:

I don't use drugs cause I don't have the skills to use them. I'll use a Mid-grade Crystal set instead for the added shield boost. I was worried about the range since I heard the sleepers in C4's keep range out to 100k, but I personally wasn't sure.

Are Geckos the only drones this fit will work with? What about Wasps or Wardens II's?

And yes I have 2 chars that I trained for RR domis that are crossing training for the Rattlers atm. My drones, shield/armor, all support and RR skills are maxed so I can use this fit as soon as I finish maxing out Caldari BS 5.

Orob Ninebands

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 57

#18 - 2015-06-17 01:27:58 UTC | Edited by: Orob Ninebands

I don't have the skills to mitigate the downsides of the drugs either, but trust me, the drugs are worth it. When I build fits I always base the drug part off of getting hit with all the negative effects 100% of the time. In the case of the Rattlesnake fit, the negative effects don't outweigh the benefits. Don't be scared of the drugs. Not sure a Mid-Grade Crystal would give you enough added shield boost. I don't use implants because I get podded a lot, and that gets expensive :) Blue Pill will give you +20% shield boost, and you may need close to that at times. Will an implant give you that much?

And yes, I would stick with Geckos. They are the only way you are going to get enough DPS. You can try it with other drones, of course, but my experience is that the Geckos are the way to go.

And you don't need BS V, none of my characters have BS to more than IV for any race.

Decripid Sano

Doomheim

Likes received: 12

#19 - 2015-06-17 01:44:18 UTC | Edited by: Decripid Sano

Orob Ninebands wrote:

I don't have the skills to mitigate the downsides of the drugs either, but trust me, the drugs are worth it. When I build fits I always base the drug part off of getting hit with all the negative effects 100% of the time. In the case of the Rattlesnake fit, the negative effects don't outweigh the benefits. Don't be scared of the drugs. Not sure a Mid-Grade Crystal would give you enough added shield boost. I don't use implants because I get podded a lot, and that gets expensive :)

And yes, I would stick with Geckos. They are the only way you are going to get enough DPS. You can try it with other drones, of course, but my experience is that the Geckos are the way to go.

And you don't need BS V, none of my characters have BS to more than IV for any race.

Many thanks Orob for sharing this fit with me. I'll replace the prop mode for another SBA. What is the cap stability like when dual boxing with this fit, I'll also be using a Siege/Skirmish link booster. Right now with the XL SB the tank is around 2.8k dps, with a L SB the tank is around 1.4k dps tank.

Damn, I should've stocked up on them Geckos when they were 30 mill each, just never intended to use them during that time.

I was hoping you would say that, cause I honestly wasn't gonna wait 27 days getting Caldari BS to lev 5 before attempting this fit. Instead I'll start plugging in some drug skills and try to get them to lev 4.


Orob Ninebands Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 57	#20 - 2015-06-17 01:46:38 UTC Cap stability is more than fine. Can handle being neuted by multiple Sleeper BS in a C5 site and never even make you nervous.

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Wormholes

Doomheim

Dragon Factory

xX SERENITY Xx

Sama Guild

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

OpSec.

Wrong Hole.

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

Small-Arms Fire