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Lazyness in Eve, where does it come from?

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-06-16 07:42:09 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.

So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


A very good question. I believe if one were to really get down the the root of the problem it's that everyone has great dreams in eve but something is in the way of that dream and it is, for whatever reason, currently unobtainable.
There is no getting bored in eve there is only "how do I get there from here?" and in the meantime one 'ship spins'.
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#22 - 2015-06-16 07:43:28 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me.


Not to forget fleet gate jump and fleet un/dock Big smile
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#23 - 2015-06-16 09:05:06 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.

So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Most people really aren't that intelligent and most certainly aren't that good at EVE, they will mask it by glorifying laziness and stupid stuff. It allows them to look cool while not actually having to do something because it would out them for being ****.

On top of that we have Generation Zero Accomplishment.
Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-06-16 09:10:39 UTC
People never used to be lazy until goons came along

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Mr Duffo
SQUIDS.
#25 - 2015-06-16 09:32:25 UTC
Im lazy I rarely go roam anymore. I just sit in fw plex and wait someone to come fight me. Long live caldari

Also players are getting old which means less play time so don't want to waste time on grinding that much anymore. Short cuts like buying plex is great choise for this kind of people

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2015-06-16 09:42:17 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


no, the people are just getting tired of doing boring things over and over again
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#27 - 2015-06-16 10:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Harry Forever wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


no, the people are just getting tired of doing boring things over and over again

Seems pretty crazy to do something boring even once, let alone over and over.

Why would anyone do that instead of having fun in the game?
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-06-16 10:44:53 UTC
Portiko wrote:
...until goons came along


This comment became a bad joke since 200...

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Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-06-16 11:15:02 UTC
Oh I'm very sorry, would you feel better if I deleted my post?

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#30 - 2015-06-16 11:58:02 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me.


that sounds pretty poopy without fleetanchor

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#31 - 2015-06-16 13:09:43 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Laziness in EVE, such as not being bothered to learn how to spell "laziness" before you use it. THAT kind of laziness?

People don't become someone else if they start playing a video game. They may think they do. They may wish they do. However, 9 out of 10 mental health professionals agree - you do not. That "one" plays video games, by the way.

If you're lazy coming in, you're gonna be lazy as you play. If you're tiresomely energetic...then yes, you'll be just as annoying to your fellow players as you are to your family members. Making an avatar and naming it something cool does not turn you into someone else.

IF you're lazy. You're lazy. If you're not. You're not. Remember. Ultimately, you're just moving a mouse around and clicking buttons while pounding keyboard keys. You're doing all this while SITTING IN A CHAIR. HOW much more LAZY can you GET?

You are NOT outside running an under four minute mile. You are not practicing your javelin. You are not even flying a KITE.

RIGHT?


Your completely right, and Stephen Hawking has got to be one of the laziest people in the world because he never leave his chair except when he is put into bed....oh wait he's disabled but can run circles around people mentally.

Just because someone may play a video game instead of going outside doesn't make them lazy....just the bulk of gamers are lazy and play games with instant gratification and all action rather then something that's going to take work.

Ill admit, I do play some action games, Ive played FPS types for the storylines, I have played things like halo or COD multiplayer and got extremely bored just killing people.

I find Sims, RTS and others to play that require thinking and planning. When I play RTS I just don't produce 1 unit and rush until everything is dead, I strategize using many unit types, I build cities that's just not Max population but well planned for a purpose.

I work on robots as the only tech with a group of engineers, go to school to work on planes and finish my 2nd degree, and when I come home I log on to EVE or some other challenging game for a few hours before going to bed.

while I don't become someone else ingame, because im strict in RL and ingame, I used to enjoy industry before ganking became so prevalent, now I run incursions which doesn't require a lot of mental effort my minimizes the time the time I need to work for a plex so I can do something else.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#32 - 2015-06-16 13:21:09 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.

So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?



I think you may be mistaking "lazy" for "advantage seeking". As others have said in this thread already, people do this by nature. In EVERY game that exists (and real life as well), players eventually start asking or expecting for "I Win" buttons, and short of that, players figure out the easiest and most efficient ways to do things.

When EVe started people were mixing gun types, mixing tank types and doing all kinds of things we think of as Heresy today lol. Now we know better. People discovering ways to AFK things is natural, and those people wanting more of that is also natural. Game companies should resist 'natural' as best they can to keep their games interesting lol.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-06-16 13:36:16 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."


Plato Circa 400 BC


It's the same thing repeated over the past 3000 years. Every generation bemoans how the generation after them is lazy, unruly, etc.

Can we stop this silliness?



Besides the meta game in this game is nothing but drama queens trying to out drama each other. It's boring.


This is actually true and false. Yes every generation thinks they are better than the next. No, they are not always wrong. Every new generation isn't always superior to the last, nor is it automatically inferior.

This current generation has it's strengths and superiorities over the old, but they also have some issues that will limit them in the future, and the NEXT generation will react to their mistakes and successes and the (natural and technological) environment in unexpected ways too. And the current generation of people (who got trophys for everything) will think they are crap too.

whether they are right are not remains to be seen lol.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#34 - 2015-06-16 15:07:11 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.




And here I grew up expecting societal collapse to come in the form of mad bikers being led my warlords with strange and self-aggrandizing names.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

embrel
BamBam Inc.
#35 - 2015-06-16 15:24:30 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."


Plato Circa 400 BC


It's the same thing repeated over the past 3000 years. Every generation bemoans how the generation after them is lazy, unruly, etc.

Can we stop this silliness?



Besides the meta game in this game is nothing but drama queens trying to out drama each other. It's boring.


I held true then and does so today. We're going downhill and are accelerating fast!
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#36 - 2015-06-16 15:27:09 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Beta Maoye wrote:
I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me.


that sounds pretty poopy without fleetanchor


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Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#37 - 2015-06-16 15:53:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?


Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.


I think that is a pretty white wash statement.

Eve is a game that is at it's best when you are playing it no-life style. I think it would be foolish for anyone to disagree with that.

As I have got older and my career has gotten bigger I am much less willing and simply do not have the time to play the game 24/7.

While I personally wouldn't want the hardcore nature of eve to change this is my opinion on the situation and the reason I play less / can't be bothered to do the same things I used to in game i.e. "Lazy" Roll

Good Career > Game.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#38 - 2015-06-16 16:59:44 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.

So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?
I'm pretty sure it's called progress. Many things are far more automated now that when I joined, but then there's newer manual stuff to do. There's always got to be stuff to do, but if they refuse to make old stuff easier and bring in new stuff in it's place then the game stagnates.

As a very basic example, in the old days you had to fly about in space dropping off scan probes around things you wanted to scan, in a painfully long and boring process of scanning. Now you click a button and drag them around a map, super easy. But now they have a hell of a lot more to scan out. There's still stuff to do, just not the same stuff.

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#39 - 2015-06-16 17:55:50 UTC
I very nearly didn't bother to get out of bed this morn to log in, pleased now that I did else I might of missed this thread.

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-06-16 18:18:22 UTC
Mr Duffo wrote:
Im lazy I rarely go roam anymore. I just sit in fw plex and wait someone to come fight me. Long live caldari

Also players are getting old which means less play time so don't want to waste time on grinding that much anymore. Short cuts like buying plex is great choise for this kind of people

^^This

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B: Work hard making in game money?

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