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Seems as if everyone's flying faction / T2 ships these days?
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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-06-16 11:30:58 UTC
In low sec, it used to be that everyone would fly cheap, throw-away T1 ships, so if they got blapped, it won't hurt the wallet. Nowadays I seem to run into faction and T2 ships all the time. Is there an actual pattern here? Is there an arms race in low sec?

Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#2 - 2015-06-16 11:32:53 UTC
T2/faction ships are just better, it's normal.
Mr Duffo
SQUIDS.
#3 - 2015-06-16 11:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Duffo
In Cal/gal war zone both sides are quite wealthy atm with being long time in t2/t3 tiers so we can afford to use better ships. Wasn't long time ago caldari was in deep t1 and we had to eat each other for living

#oicxmassacre2014 North remembers

Long live Caldari

Skeggǫld, Skálmǫld, Skildir ro Klofnir!

Never forget! #OICXmassacre2014
Arla Sarain
#4 - 2015-06-16 12:42:25 UTC
Mr Duffo wrote:
In Cal/gal war zone both sides are quite wealthy atm with being long time in t2/t3 tiers so we can afford to use better ships. Wasn't long time ago caldari was in deep t1 and we had to eat each other for living

#oicxmassacre2014 North remembers

Long live Caldari

Wouldn't say that's entirely correct.

LP value has dropped significantly in this time. I still remember handing in 200k LP for a billion ISK (admittedly with some market awareness). But still, making isk in FW isn't that great. It's great when nobody (or few other people) does it, which is pretty much like everything else in the game, except maybe missions and DED plexs.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-06-16 13:26:52 UTC
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-06-16 15:00:56 UTC
I can say from personal experience not *everybody* in FW is flying T2/Pirate...
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#7 - 2015-06-16 15:27:24 UTC
In the frigate class, I prefer to fly T2 or faction/pirate frigates because they're more capable, I have more fun flying them, and I have the ISK to afford them.

That said, the derp meta is certainly not dead. Plenty of groups and pilots still actively pilot them regularly. And they're incredibly ISK efficient. Nothing sucks more than losing well fit ships to a blob of derp.

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Mr Duffo
SQUIDS.
#8 - 2015-06-16 15:34:51 UTC
Derp doctrine was the worst thing ever happened in fw. I curse the day perunga brought those atrons

Skeggǫld, Skálmǫld, Skildir ro Klofnir!

Never forget! #OICXmassacre2014
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#9 - 2015-06-16 18:06:52 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#10 - 2015-06-16 18:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
derptrons still boss. Find the most expensive faction frig/etc in enemy gang. take 3 derptrons and kill it.

Bye bye worm.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47177496/

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Syrilian
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-06-16 19:12:52 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little.


This. I'll never understand why t3 destroyers can go in smalls but t3 crusiers can't go into mediums. It has the personal effect of me making the decision to move from dessies rather quickly to cruisers. If I face essentially the same threat, why not just go to mediums?
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#12 - 2015-06-16 19:23:20 UTC
Syrilian wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little.


This. I'll never understand why t3 destroyers can go in smalls but t3 crusiers can't go into mediums. It has the personal effect of me making the decision to move from dessies rather quickly to cruisers. If I face essentially the same threat, why not just go to mediums?


combat recons.

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Mr Spaxi
#13 - 2015-06-17 07:39:49 UTC
Syrilian wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just dont make the mistake of trying to 'ISK Tank'.
T1 scissors still beat T2 paper, erry day.


This... although, moving pirate frigs to small plexes and tactical dessies to mediums would probably help rejuvenate the T1 meta a little.


This. I'll never understand why t3 destroyers can go in smalls but t3 crusiers can't go into mediums. It has the personal effect of me making the decision to move from dessies rather quickly to cruisers. If I face essentially the same threat, why not just go to mediums?


They're working on adding new PLEX size and on a revamp of FW PLEXes.
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-17 09:00:18 UTC
Mr Duffo wrote:
Derp doctrine was the worst thing ever happened in fw. I curse the day perunga brought those atrons


You can thank JUSTK for those and the swarm that was Evoke way back when.....and then nulli, and test, and freddit, and pasta, and pretty much every other failed nullsec alliance that thinks they'll stomp poor, FW scrubs into the ground. But hey, we never lost Eha or Vlill or Nenna for that matter Bear

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-06-17 10:42:49 UTC
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-06-17 10:44:06 UTC
Mr Duffo wrote:
In Cal/gal war zone both sides are quite wealthy atm with being long time in t2/t3 tiers so we can afford to use better ships. Wasn't long time ago caldari was in deep t1 and we had to eat each other for living

#oicxmassacre2014 North remembers

Long live Caldari


I'm not sure it's about isk. One driver for this development is that CalMil organisations have matured and developed a lot over the last 18 months, have better experience, higher sp, and better FCs plus more competent solo pilots than they did and are, consequently flying somewhat higher end gear more routinely. Not quite an arms race but more catching up a little with the opposition. And since, I'm assuming, the Cal and Gal FW pilots were the most frequent users of the lower end stuff that removes a good chunk of it. Outside system sieges, where T1 still predominates, this means that there are now very few major organisations in lowsec who look to T1 as their primary option which means anyone looking to win a fight will probably want to roll heavier than a year ago. Call it a virtuous spiral or a vicious circle as you like.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#17 - 2015-06-17 13:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.


Most of the gate camps exist on the high-sec entry systems, you'll also find them from time to time in other places, but that is much rarer. It can be worth checking the kill boards for the pipe you are coming in on as well as dot lan stats for kills if you have to come in from high-sec.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-06-17 14:17:02 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.


This happens everyday in calmil militia chat

Noob: Is Tama Camped?
Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there
Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship)
Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule)
Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve

It's getting old man.

Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-06-17 14:30:36 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.


You need multiple copies of each ship. If you spend an hour crafting a fit you probably want at least half a dozen of them on hand if you want to be sure you have enough to spend the evening with it (assuming frig/dessie).
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#20 - 2015-06-18 13:54:07 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Well, I'm firing up Elite: Dangerous. I spent an hour creating a FW fit to try out and spend my evening with.

And what do you know. A ******* gate camp. No chance to escape. That killed my fun for the night. **** this.


This happens everyday in calmil militia chat

Noob: Is Tama Camped?
Me: Yes forever and ever don't go through there
Noob: Kill: Noob(badly fit t1 ship)
Noob: Kill: Noob (Capsule)
Noob: Wah every lowsec system has a complete gatecamp I quit eve

It's getting old man.

Extra bonus are those who base from Jita and go to tama from Nourv because I don't know.



Next time look at the dudes KB first. He didn't come through Nourv/Tama.

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