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Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-16 11:25:31 UTC
From my understanding of what CCP are currently doing with patches, is that they are doing small and often, rather than big and slow.
To me, this seems to give the impression that the game is spinning its wheels, ok, we DO have features coming out (FozzieSov etc) but they are so diluted it seems like nothing is changing.
After the current cycle of rapid releases is done, are CCP going back to a traditional model? As in, we'll get a patch, and rather than 1 ship in it, its got an entire line of ships, or a new feature like PI, or some new stuff?
I understand the need for the changes that are being made, but to me, it would make more sense to release it in one go, rather than staggering it.
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-06-16 11:38:23 UTC
I'n hoping that they finally revisit PI somewhat along the guidelines of this:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49217
Wendrika Hydreiga
#3 - 2015-06-16 11:38:25 UTC
What's that? You want to wait 6 months between each patch, with CCP struggling with deadlines and probably throwing stuff to the game not as polished as they would like? Okay!

We are now getting morsel sized patches every 1.5 months, and when the stuff they are working on isn't working they just postpone it to the next patch cycle. If the game feels like it isn't changing is because it is changing gradually instead of in growth spurts.

The game now looks nothing like what it looked like a year ago.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#4 - 2015-06-16 11:58:03 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
From my understanding of what CCP are currently doing with patches, is that they are doing small and often, rather than big and slow.
To me, this seems to give the impression that the game is spinning its wheels, ok, we DO have features coming out (FozzieSov etc) but they are so diluted it seems like nothing is changing.
After the current cycle of rapid releases is done, are CCP going back to a traditional model? As in, we'll get a patch, and rather than 1 ship in it, its got an entire line of ships, or a new feature like PI, or some new stuff?
I understand the need for the changes that are being made, but to me, it would make more sense to release it in one go, rather than staggering it.


Why would it make sense to release every 6 months four times the changes?

In favour of smaller, more frequent patches is the ability to check something works as expected, in particular the way the players respond to (and utilise in unexpected ways) the changes.

The way play in EVE is set up, we don't need "expansions" the way other games which involve levelling into end game do.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#5 - 2015-06-16 12:02:46 UTC
From what was mentioned at fanfest, seems this is how things are gonna be.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#6 - 2015-06-16 12:10:00 UTC
This is the way things are going to stay.

It's not about CCP doing smaller changes. It's about CCP releasing stuff when it's done, rather than going for artificial deadlines.

If a change will take 6 months, it can take those 6 months. and if it isn't quite ready for that release, it can be pushed off until the next one, rather than being a year later.

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Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-06-16 12:10:46 UTC
I seriously doubt they are going to change it any time soon and i am happy with this as the current dev cycle allows them to release their product when its ready rather than rushing it out for a deadline or having to wait another 6 months.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2015-06-16 12:16:23 UTC
Small patches allow CCP to iron out bugs and to lay down underlying frameworks for bigger things without being restrained by deadlines or breaking more than they fix.

TL;DR I'd rather see small incremental patches that work than huge ones twice a year that don't.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#9 - 2015-06-16 12:19:05 UTC
Well the content is coming out more rapidly.

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Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2015-06-16 13:01:36 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
This is the way things are going to stay.

It's not about CCP doing smaller changes. It's about CCP releasing stuff when it's done, rather than going for artificial deadlines.

If a change will take 6 months, it can take those 6 months. and if it isn't quite ready for that release, it can be pushed off until the next one, rather than being a year later.
This.

The release cycle, 5 weeks (as opposed to 6 months before), does not entail that all development must fit within 5 weeks. It simply means that every 5 weeks there is an opportunity to release the features the development teams have been working on for various lengths of time. I cover this in detail in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMmy3Zitc9I

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer

Nihta
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-06-16 13:56:18 UTC
This release cycle makes so much more sense. The changes to wormholes were meaningful. The addition of Drifters was heavily discussed. New Burners. The jump changes, my god the jump changes. If you are not noticing the changes you are oblivious.This is a recording.
This release cycle makes so much more sense. The changes to wormholes were meaningful. The addition of Drifters... (message repeats)
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-06-16 14:01:46 UTC
are CCP...you do realize CCP is ONE corporation, singular, so it's IS CCP, not ARE CCP? I hope so! Big smile

Why do people need to feel the game is changing in major ways once a month? I don't require that feel good attention. And, I don't think the paltry sum I pay per month can finance recreating the game once a month, either.

Where does this expectation come from? I'm seriously curious. It is put forward like it's a fact of life,
rather than someone's unreasonably unrealistic expectation. which it certainly is...unless...

OP, are you planning to throw a few thousand dollars where your expectations lie? Few are. It's easier to demand, no?

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-06-16 14:45:30 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
are CCP...you do realize CCP is ONE corporation, singular, so it's IS CCP, not ARE CCP? I hope so! Big smile

It's a British convention to pluralize corporation names. So saying "CCP are releasing..." is the proper way to state it. This stems from considering the corporation to be a collection of multiple people - it's a collective noun which can be singular or plural depending on where you grew up. Singular in America, plural in Britain.

Similarly, color vs colour. Aluminum vs aluminium. Etc.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-06-16 14:51:38 UTC
Let me ask this, do you eat your cake in slices, or in one giant bite?

It's kind of similar. You eat more as your mouth has more room.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-06-16 14:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Eli Stan wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
are CCP...you do realize CCP is ONE corporation, singular, so it's IS CCP, not ARE CCP? I hope so! Big smile

It's a British convention to pluralize corporation names. So saying "CCP are releasing..." is the proper way to state it. This stems from considering the corporation to be a collection of multiple people - it's a collective noun which can be singular or plural depending on where you grew up. Singular in America, plural in Britain.

Similarly, color vs colour. Aluminum vs aluminium. Etc.
Ah, but that's ridiculous! There is, for instance, a team. One team. So, you'd say Manchester United ARE? However, there are members of the team, they're plural. The members of Manchester United are....the team IS. There aren't two Manchester Uniteds, are/is/am there? You see where the trouble lies with this "convention" that seems to have grown up from nowhere...I hope.

Oh, and I hasten to add, "corporation" is a word to signify a company is "a body" - singular, root "corp" as in corpus delecti. The very meaning of the word corporation is defeated by pretending it's plural because there are people in corporations. It doesn't refer to the people in the organization. It refers to how the organization has organized itself, and to pluralize it is to lose this meaning entirely. This logic would also apply to the word "team".

generator - dynamo?

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-06-16 15:02:32 UTC
I quite like the current model. Gives me something to look forward to every month. Lol
cpu939
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
#17 - 2015-06-16 15:05:45 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
This is the way things are going to stay.

It's not about CCP doing smaller changes. It's about CCP releasing stuff when it's done, rather than going for artificial deadlines.

If a change will take 6 months, it can take those 6 months. and if it isn't quite ready for that release, it can be pushed off until the next one, rather than being a year later.
This.

The release cycle, 5 weeks (as opposed to 6 months before), does not entail that all development must fit within 5 weeks. It simply means that every 5 weeks there is an opportunity to release the features the development teams have been working on for various lengths of time. I cover this in detail in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMmy3Zitc9I


it would be good if they waited till things where fully test like the entosis link, did you guys know if you entosis your own station you need ccp to fix it?

one would have figured ccp wouldn't let you turn off your own station services
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2015-06-16 15:20:57 UTC
cpu939 wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
This is the way things are going to stay.

It's not about CCP doing smaller changes. It's about CCP releasing stuff when it's done, rather than going for artificial deadlines.

If a change will take 6 months, it can take those 6 months. and if it isn't quite ready for that release, it can be pushed off until the next one, rather than being a year later.
This.

The release cycle, 5 weeks (as opposed to 6 months before), does not entail that all development must fit within 5 weeks. It simply means that every 5 weeks there is an opportunity to release the features the development teams have been working on for various lengths of time. I cover this in detail in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMmy3Zitc9I


it would be good if they waited till things where fully test like the entosis link, did you guys know if you entosis your own station you need ccp to fix it?

one would have figured ccp wouldn't let you turn off your own station services
Why would you turn off your own station services? ;)

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-06-16 15:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
cpu939 wrote:
, did you guys know if you entosis your own station you need ccp to fix it?

one would have figured ccp wouldn't let you turn off your own station services
I didn't "know" if I put my hand in the disposal while it's running I'd pull out a stump...but I didn't have to try it to assure myself this would be a fact. Would I test everything I created against something someone who's using it for purposes unintended might do with it? No. I'd let them suffer the consequences.

Remove all warning labels. Thin the gene pool.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2015-06-16 16:08:15 UTC
a few small changes every few weeks is so much better than a few small changes every 6 months. Say what you want about the summer of rage, but it was a long time coming.

lets not even talk about the nerf sledgehammer they used to use.... Evil

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