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Crime and Punishment Guidelines, Etiquette and In-Jokes

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Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#41 - 2015-06-14 07:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nofear Alt
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

This forum gets given a huge leeway on what is considered trolling. Until ISD start removing Posts or mail me to ask me to stop posting that on every obvious forum ALT it will continue with the free advice which follows about posting with your main for greater community support.

PS as you can see it's hardly a small band it's the greater majority of this section of the forum Blink


Fair enough - then our battle lines are set ....

Considering how many post as alt, due to the playground bullying tactics, there is an equal number preferring a different approach. I still do not believe that alt posting adds any more to this forum than main posting - it just gives you all the means to harass in game. I appreciate that is the "fun" part for you, but not everyone wants that

It's all good - you can be the "judge" and I'll be the "V for Vendetta" character - fun times! :-)

p.s. please ask the 2 cronies Paranoid and Mags not to ruin threads by turning them into a circular troll fest - it will definitely not foster community if multiple threads are shut down

Alt and proud

Nerapa
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-06-15 13:30:13 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
Just a reminder that the actual forum rules live here.


Confirmed nitshe alt....
Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#43 - 2015-06-15 14:34:29 UTC
Nerapa wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Just a reminder that the actual forum rules live here.


Confirmed nitshe alt....


Could be, but a Nitshe alt with power nonetheless

Alt and proud

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#44 - 2015-06-15 15:21:31 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

This forum gets given a huge leeway on what is considered trolling. Until ISD start removing Posts or mail me to ask me to stop posting that on every obvious forum ALT it will continue with the free advice which follows about posting with your main for greater community support.

PS as you can see it's hardly a small band it's the greater majority of this section of the forum Blink


Fair enough - then our battle lines are set ....

Considering how many post as alt, due to the playground bullying tactics, there is an equal number preferring a different approach. I still do not believe that alt posting adds any more to this forum than main posting - it just gives you all the means to harass in game. I appreciate that is the "fun" part for you, but not everyone wants that

It's all good - you can be the "judge" and I'll be the "V for Vendetta" character - fun times! :-)

p.s. please ask the 2 cronies Paranoid and Mags not to ruin threads by turning them into a circular troll fest - it will definitely not foster community if multiple threads are shut down


You are not a hero.
You're a sad little person who is apparently VERY desperate for attention on a never ending quest for relevance.
The only power you have is to be annoying. Dragging your arse over every thread, screaming 'look at me! look at me!' really only accomplishes one thing, and that is to annoy those reading said threads.

Honestly, you're making Veers look downright classy.

You don't matter.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#45 - 2015-06-15 15:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nofear Alt
Omar Alharazaad wrote:


You are not a hero.
You're a sad little person who is apparently VERY desperate for attention on a never ending quest for relevance.
The only power you have is to be annoying. Dragging your arse over every thread, screaming 'look at me! look at me!' really only accomplishes one thing, and that is to annoy those reading said threads.

Honestly, you're making Veers look downright classy.

You don't matter.


Haha, you are getting hilariously upset at someone who doesn't matter - more brilliant irony - just keep it up as its my favourite thing

I believe I named to crony number 2, just after MIKE and before Para - so a lesser crony which you are probably happy with....you don't stick your neck out often but when you do you know that those above will have your back. It's a good position for someone as yourself.

Now I don't want to be a hero - I don't even want to talk about me or my alt status - I have as much right as you to read C&P and comment and anyone, and sir, or your gang of bully boys, will not change that. I know that doesn't sit well with you but it's true! Yep your unenforceable rules are....unenforceable

Now move along - your leader has spoken and I'm sure he's man enough to fight his own battles without a little crony chirping up

Alt and proud

StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#46 - 2015-06-16 00:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: StonerPhReaK
I know not one of these ner-do-wells and any of them that tell you I do is a lie. Real Talk.

Alts are cowards who say things that would get them rekt in-game.

Mains are Men and cant wait to get rekt in-game.


The difference between the two isnt about bullying. Its about being willing to own up to things you say, or actions you do.

Mom says: If you haven't anything nice to say, Don't say it atall.

Dad says: Mind what you say cause someone may take offense and smash your face.



Courage isn't a word. Its an attribute.
Respect isn't given, Its Earned.
Post with your main.
Or GTFO.
HTFU <--Edit

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2015-06-16 05:27:05 UTC
StonerPhReaK wrote:


The difference between the two isnt about bullying. Its about being willing to own up to things you say, or actions you do.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#48 - 2015-06-16 08:02:29 UTC
StonerPhReaK wrote:
I know not one of these ner-do-wells and any of them that tell you I do is a lie. Real Talk.

Alts are cowards who say things that would get them rekt in-game.

Mains are Men and cant wait to get rekt in-game.


The difference between the two isnt about bullying. Its about being willing to own up to things you say, or actions you do.

Mom says: If you haven't anything nice to say, Don't say it atall.

Dad says: Mind what you say cause someone may take offense and smash your face.



Courage isn't a word. Its an attribute.
Respect isn't given, Its Earned.
Post with your main.
Or GTFO.


I will not "GTFO" and I will continue to post with my alt until someone comes up with a better reason that "cowardice" as the reason why.

Totally agree that respect is earned and also agree that you should own up to you actions - so I will try and earn respect with my posts and not post like an idiot (I guess one leads to the other anyway). I've never been one to troll/flame/harass on forums whether anonymous or not.

Unfortunately your GTFO comments continue to show why posting on an alt is preferable - there are some vicious people on this forum and some of us just don't want to harassment or bullying that can come from posting something that is not uniformly liked.

It amuses me that it bothers you guys so much that day after day you launch attack after attack - but until CCP change the rules I will continue to show that your unenforceable "laws" are exactly that.....unenforceable.

Continue if you must to ironically bully me to change but it will not happen unless someone can blow me away with something insightful as to why I should

Alt and proud

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#49 - 2015-06-16 09:35:02 UTC
Oxford needs to be told their definition of irony is wrong too

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Saskia Laru
Saskia Laru Trading Corporation
#50 - 2015-06-16 10:14:42 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:

I will not "GTFO" and I will continue to post with my alt until someone comes up with a better reason that "cowardice" as the reason why.

Totally agree that respect is earned and also agree that you should own up to you actions - so I will try and earn respect with my posts and not post like an idiot (I guess one leads to the other anyway). I've never been one to troll/flame/harass on forums whether anonymous or not.

Unfortunately your GTFO comments continue to show why posting on an alt is preferable - there are some vicious people on this forum and some of us just don't want to harassment or bullying that can come from posting something that is not uniformly liked.

It amuses me that it bothers you guys so much that day after day you launch attack after attack - but until CCP change the rules I will continue to show that your unenforceable "laws" are exactly that.....unenforceable.

Continue if you must to ironically bully me to change but it will not happen unless someone can blow me away with something insightful as to why I should


What you say is true. They can't enforce you to use your main while posting. You are free to do so, just as they are free to ignore any of the posts you make with your alt.

Just a thought.
Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#51 - 2015-06-16 10:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nofear Alt
Saskia Laru wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

I will not "GTFO" and I will continue to post with my alt until someone comes up with a better reason that "cowardice" as the reason why.

Totally agree that respect is earned and also agree that you should own up to you actions - so I will try and earn respect with my posts and not post like an idiot (I guess one leads to the other anyway). I've never been one to troll/flame/harass on forums whether anonymous or not.

Unfortunately your GTFO comments continue to show why posting on an alt is preferable - there are some vicious people on this forum and some of us just don't want to harassment or bullying that can come from posting something that is not uniformly liked.

It amuses me that it bothers you guys so much that day after day you launch attack after attack - but until CCP change the rules I will continue to show that your unenforceable "laws" are exactly that.....unenforceable.

Continue if you must to ironically bully me to change but it will not happen unless someone can blow me away with something insightful as to why I should


What you say is true. They can't enforce you to use your main while posting. You are free to do so, just as they are free to ignore any of the posts you make with your alt.

Just a thought.


Absolutely Saskia, as they have pointed out to me on multiple occasions. I'm comfortable with that and will accept that state of affairs....

Strangely, although that threat was made, they continue to attack and reply to my posts, which doesn't seem to make sense, but just goes to show why people might choose to post as an alt (ie to avoid their inevitable bullying and harassment)

Alt and proud

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#52 - 2015-06-16 10:36:39 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:

Now move along - your leader has spoken and I'm sure he's man enough to fight his own battles without a little crony chirping up

The notion that an anonymous forum alt would throw this out there is hilarious, more so after speaking about irony.

You take the Mic out of Omar but you won't even show your face for fear of having violence done upon it, or worse laughed at.

Post all you like but you are the butt of this particular joke .
Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#53 - 2015-06-16 10:48:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

Now move along - your leader has spoken and I'm sure he's man enough to fight his own battles without a little crony chirping up

The notion that an anonymous forum alt would throw this out there is hilarious, more so after speaking about irony.

You take the Mic out of Omar but you won't even show your face for fear of having violence done upon it, or worse laughed at.

Post all you like but you are the butt of this particular joke .


But that is the point - an anonymous forum alt has just as much right to post on here as anyone else.
Anything I said to Omar was brought on by his constant attacks - which you are welcome to review.

Laughed at I am cool with - harassment and bullying I am not. I don't necessarily choose to post as an alt because I'm worried about dying in game - I live in null and death is a constant - of course not from Omar who prefers Mobile Tractor Units (Bob help him if they ever put guns on those things!) - but because I can and specifically because I am strongly against anyone that posts "GTFO"


Alt and proud

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#54 - 2015-06-16 11:00:35 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:

Now move along - your leader has spoken and I'm sure he's man enough to fight his own battles without a little crony chirping up

The notion that an anonymous forum alt would throw this out there is hilarious, more so after speaking about irony.

You take the Mic out of Omar but you won't even show your face for fear of having violence done upon it, or worse laughed at.

Post all you like but you are the butt of this particular joke .


But that is the point - an anonymous forum alt has just as much right to post on here as anyone else.
Anything I said to Omar was brought on by his constant attacks - which you are welcome to review.

Laughed at I am cool with - harassment and bullying I am not. I don't necessarily choose to post as an alt because I'm worried about dying in game - I live in null and death is a constant - of course not from Omar who prefers Mobile Tractor Units (Bob help him if they ever put guns on those things!) - but because I can and specifically because I am strongly against anyone that posts "GTFO"



Well until your main can verify that it isn't in fact an impotent and frustrated little bear piddling around some godforsaken backwater belt ,cowering from CODE. we are free to take you as such.

Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#55 - 2015-06-16 11:05:06 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nofear Alt wrote:
[quote=Ralph King-Griffin]


Well until your main can verify that it isn't in fact an impotent and frustrated little bear piddling around some godforsaken backwater belt ,cowering from CODE. we are free to take you as such.



Great, I accept your proposal.....:-)

Alt and proud

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-06-16 12:18:40 UTC
Nofear Alt wrote:

Strangely, although that threat was made, they continue to attack and reply to my posts, which doesn't seem to make sense, but just goes to show why people might choose to post as an alt (ie to avoid their inevitable bullying and harassment)



You seem to be taking the summary of our statements and replacing the main ideas with "we will ignore you". Please, if you will, allow me to set it straight.

1) You wont receive any help from us. Any questions that an alt posts are subject to trolling, straight out disinformation, scams,
etc.

2) We have been attempting to foster a sort of community here, ranging from tournament style fights, NPSI roams, and coming soon a C&P WH eviction. Be anonymous all you like, but no forum alts are included in the content we provide. Dont care? Thats fine too. In EVE, content is the real currency.

Here is what I am confused about:

You claim to not post with your main because we are "bullies"... but you agree with the majority of the sentiments of this forum. That points down the path of someone who is just trolling to troll.

In that case, 6/10 based on number of bites.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#57 - 2015-06-16 12:34:02 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Here is what I am confused about:

You claim to not post with your main because we are "bullies"... but you agree with the majority of the sentiments of this forum. That points down the path of someone who is just trolling to troll.

In that case, 6/10 based on number of bites.



Leto, to answer your question:

1. I definitely do not want to troll - in fact I'd rather just get back to reading and commenting on the post people have made, many of which, including the content you guys are trying to foster is awesome stuff

2. Although you are all entitled to create your own "laws" I just want it accepted that not everyone needs to/will abide by them and the "GTFO" attitude/comments are unacceptable.

Other than that I just want to enjoy the forum. If I act like an idiot then I'm sure you will all take me to task. I don't want to threaten anyone with "being blown up in game" or make any comments that I cannot back up. I'm not going to threaten to get my alliance to gank anyone or do / say anything that I cannot back up without evidence

I have nothing against anyone except point 2....so If we accept each other's position and agree to disagree then drama will be zero

Alt and proud

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#58 - 2015-06-16 14:07:00 UTC
Nofear, the reason why we wish to communicate with mains rather than alts is a matter of respect. In C&P we have all sorts of miscreants, pirates, mercenaries and other forms of nogoodniks who are gathered together to share their views and opinions on various matters. Unlike many other portions of the forums in this place the meta aspects of the game actually do extend beyond the eve.exe file.

What is said or done around here can have profound consequences within the game as wars, ganks, awoxes and scams arise as a result of the actions or words of the one. Respect in this area is a precious commodity not unlike trust is within the game. It has to be cultivated and hoarded and defended to be maintained. The Thunderdome thread is a fine example of this if you are in doubt.

Now here's the tricky thing, affiliations change. The tides of war ebb and flow. You mention cronyism, and I understand that, but the thing is it is an illusion. What you've been seeing is like minded folks who happen to agree with each other. This does not mean that they are not hostile within the game. Just last month the alliance that Noragen was in was at war with my own. Currently my alliance is at war with the corporation that Valkin is in, and I'm sure he's currently running locators to find out where I am, as I am doing the same. This means that if we happen to meet there will be bloodshed. It wont be because we hate each other, it wont be because we disagree on this or that... it's because we're at war.

Wars can be and are started here. They get finished in the game. By saying what you have to say with the face of the character that actually has something to lose you can cultivate respect from others. It shows that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, and people around here can understand that kind of thinking. You generate empathy to some degree that way.

Saying that you're an alt and proud of it is kind of the opposite approach to the situation. You kind of are shouting to the world that you fear the consequences of your opinion in this matter, where if it was truly important to you you'd be proud to stand up with your main and say what you have to say.

Oh, and PS: Yes, I shoot MTU's. I do it to get bears to shoot at me. I do it so I can get fights like...
https://zkillboard.com/kill/44740149/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42964495/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/40530236/
and so on and so forth...

You live in null, I live in high sec. We have different methods of securing our kills.
Were you to be posting with your main I'd be having a look at your board as well, and were it half as awesome as you seem to be trying portray yourself you'd likely cultivate some of that respect from me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#59 - 2015-06-16 14:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
I don't often post with alts, but when I do it's usually to troll myself.

I also have a habit of carrying on conversations between this character and my alts in a few channels I'm in. I laugh, they laugh, I tell them to STFU, they apologize meekly. Good times.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#60 - 2015-06-16 14:25:27 UTC
I remember that orthrus, fecker was a sketchy, nervous bear( 1bill+ for the hull at the time so I'm not entirely surprised)

Tried flipping him a couple of times but he wouldn't engage an ishkur.

I know I said it at the time but again, good kill Omar.