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daltonism problem with new icons, impossible to do PvP

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Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2015-06-15 15:23:00 UTC
supported.

tbh they also just suck for everyone. Yesterday i got a nomen land on grid and blap my poor slicer, and i didn't even realize he was there lol, i thought i was taking gate guns for **** knows what. I honestly can't see **** with this new icons
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2015-06-15 15:54:08 UTC
+1 support

What, no dev response in 10 days of this thread?

I know CCP uses money from 4-5% of their customer base just as a toilet paper, but...

C´mon it´s not like these people choosed to be colour blind!
(Like some choose not to PvP or group and then drop out for boredom...)

Pretty much EVERY other new game nowadays notice color blinds!
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#123 - 2015-06-15 18:28:52 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
supported.

tbh they also just suck for everyone. Yesterday i got a nomen land on grid and blap my poor slicer, and i didn't even realize he was there lol, i thought i was taking gate guns for **** knows what. I honestly can't see **** with this new icons


After a week, this is still happening to me.

Please, PLEASE fix these dreadful icons!

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#124 - 2015-06-15 18:56:07 UTC
I like the new icons, but I'm not color blind, and I can't support any change that leaves people who are color blind or have some other condition that makes the game difficult or impossible to play.

Supported. +1.

As an aside, I don't know what language it's from, but I like the word "daltonic."

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Koba Kyogen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2015-06-15 21:18:10 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Colour blindness IS an issue that can and should be considered.

This is not hate for the icons just a simple request to consider or have alternatives for folks who need them.

Supported.

m


CSM? Nah, can't be.

Y'all are supposed to be extinct.

Where's our option to disable the icons. CSM?
Sbrodor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#126 - 2015-06-16 06:24:12 UTC
at moment csm is quiet and dev no show.

just an update of situation.
Sykaotic
Doomheim
#127 - 2015-06-16 07:41:27 UTC
Support and:

I got an answer about the Icons.

I was told.... that I need to contact the CSM about the icons Attention

So, the CSM has more control over the direction of icons than CCP.

Weird.

In the meantime, I have removed the icons completly from my overview.

(looks at thread below about MIA CSM).
Lumukanda Theleraese
Paranoid Inc
#128 - 2015-06-17 04:29:55 UTC
Full support for this.

As a colour blind player as well it is very difficult at times to see the icons in the overview as well as other colours "blending" with the background nebula and other environment effects, which at times renders icons basically invisible unless I pivot the camera to get a different shade of colour which I can then see.

Having an option to have a solid background in the overview and other tabs would be good as this would probably eliminate the bleed through effect and blending as then would be able to id and read quickly, without having to struggle due to the difference of being blurry or essentially no differentiation with the colours and at times shapes (it's how I see them atm).
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2015-06-17 08:22:34 UTC
Sbrodor wrote:
at moment csm is quiet and dev no show.

just an update of situation.


There is a new response
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5823732#post5823732
CCP Claymore wrote:
Hey everyone,

Apologies for the silence about the icons but we have been following this thread with great interest.

We have been listening to your feedback and discussing where to go from here. We had a very productive meeting with the CSM last week about the current icon situation and the release of them. There will be a blog coming out once we have dotted the i's and crossed the t's where we will explain why we changed them and improvements we plan to implement from the feedback received on this thread.

Please keep giving us the constructive feedback you have supplied so far.

A lttle bit further:
Sbrodor wrote:

We absolutely do care and player feedback has not been discarded, although hands up we could have been better at replying to this thread.

The blog will be both, why we did it, and after reading your concerns and feedback what we plan to do.
We understand that NPC are not distinguishable enough and that is high on our list to improve. We are also looking at drones.

Hopefully the blog will cover your concerns. We will be looking for more feedback like this once we have published it.

and...
CCP Claymore wrote:
Quote:

are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.

=====
*snipp*
So we were using feedback on SISI and made changes on individual icons and they did change from the first iteration to the release all based on feedback from SISI.

Perhaps we could and should have done more to address the issues we are now seeing are real issues, we will strive our hardest to make the icons better, at the moment reverting them back is not an option we are considering.
Sbrodor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#130 - 2015-06-19 05:42:43 UTC
no one single word in dev blog around this problem.
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#131 - 2015-06-19 18:06:29 UTC
oh, there was a word, its basically a giant middle finger :/
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#132 - 2015-06-19 22:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
oh, there was a word, its basically a giant middle finger :/

Yeah basically.

What I find strange is that there is a specific group of people that have a physical issue with this change and yet CCP talk to the CSM about the issue rather than pulling a better group together to get feedback from.

Sure the CSM is an established group and it uses systems like confluence that facilitate communication, but on this issue it seems almost like the lazy option. A general type group isn't as useful as a group focused on a specific issue. It's not even like there would need to be NDA issues. It would just be feedback.
flakeys
Doomheim
#133 - 2015-06-20 08:36:41 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
oh, there was a word, its basically a giant middle finger :/

Yeah basically.

What I find strange is that there is a specific group of people that have a physical issue with this change and yet CCP talk to the CSM about the issue rather than pulling a better group together to get feedback from.

Sure the CSM is an established group and it uses systems like confluence that facilitate communication, but on this issue it seems almost like the lazy option. A general type group isn't as useful as a group focused on a specific issue. It's not even like there would need to be NDA issues. It would just be feedback.



I learned the meaning of the phrase 'fix what ain't broken' thanks to my years of playing eve ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Iam Lynch
Doomheim
#134 - 2015-06-20 10:55:23 UTC
+1 support
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#135 - 2015-06-20 12:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Totally supported.
And not just for colour blind players.
The new Icons have somehow managed to be appaulingly legible for ALL players who do not have near perfect eyesight.
I know the battlefields of the world are full of the young and the dead, and EvE is in part a combat simulator, but that really should not be a design goal for EVE.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#136 - 2015-06-20 12:18:45 UTC
Darirol
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2015-06-20 12:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Darirol
Sbrodor wrote:


(according to wiki the 4% of poulation suffer this chromatic problem)



4% ofthe population, but its mostly a male issue. 8-9% of all male have issues with color vission.

andsince eve has a 95% male playerbase, that makes it even worse.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#138 - 2015-06-20 13:57:24 UTC
YE okay, tried the colourblind simulator and on each setting, I could see icons just as well as with normal vision. (As someone who's fine with all colours that aren't blue)

I can understand issues with the background-nebulae and floating text, that for sure. But I can't tell that about icons themselves aside from 90% scaling, and that's another topic.
Pixie Tickle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2015-06-20 16:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Svenja Timofeyeva
Sbrodor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2015-06-20 18:53:53 UTC
from reddit :

CCP please gief:

https://youtu.be/XJWGYagVXyc?t=213 (see colour blind options in the eve menu @ the 213 second mark)