Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And you are just a lesser ganker like the rest of them. Your empty words mean nothing, because you do not even understand what I am talking about. Just because you were -10 does not mean you know what every -10 does or can do. What matters is that the relevant people (not you) understand that this breaks my gameplay and there is no way to properly adapt to it. I do not need to explain it to you, as you do not matter in the slightest. Hell, the amount of empty words in your post is embarassing. You should go into politics.

I will not respond in this thread any more, as the important parts have been set and done. None of you can go into this, because none of you plays like me. I can absolutely guarantee that. CCP can easily go through years of logs about Solstice Project and Solecist Project and find out all by themselves that this would completely break my fleets.

That is *all* that matters. I am not posting here to discuss with you, because you do not matter. Your opinions matter when it comes to the change, but not when it comes to what others say about that change. They especially do not matter when you do not understand what the other person is talking about and randomly trying to argue with people is completely silly and childish. (baltec, for example, who is attention whoring like a madman).


That's all there is to say. CCP, this breaks my gameplay and prevents me from ever again FCing a proer fleet of outlaws in highsec. It reduces my gameplay to all that of the lesser gankers and there *is* *nothing* I can do to adapt. I can happily SHOW YOU if you wish so, just throw me an eve-mail at Solecist Project.


Cheers.

Speed up the propagation of corp bookmarks, and I've no problem with this change.

It's still gonna suck for fleets made up of multiple corps. WTB fleet bookmark system.

65 pages in and the summary is basically:

WH:

Bookmarks are just too slow. Really they are, anything from 1 min to over 5 mins. It is a pain in the ares regardless of these changes. So a fix would be nice anyway. But with these changes it is needed.

Mixed corp fleets:

Again bookmarks. Alliance bookmarks is something everyone has wanted for some time. These changes do really need something like that fixed. Esp with the roll out of fozzieSov.

Bombers:

No idea why anyone thinks this would change bombers. I can only assume 99.9% of people who go on about bombers have never flown them. We have *never* used fleet warp for bomb runs. We have almost never used bookmarks. Someone flys to a perch and we use public warp to points for warp out, and its is never done with fleet warp. You decloak yourself, bomb yourself and warp off yourself. So ZERO change here. However i don't think CCP had any bomber effect intention here anyway.

baltec1:

Troll for 60 pages. Please Ignore.


Final thoughts:

Don't add tedium for no reason. Without some bookmark changes/fixes this adds a lot of tedium for no benefit.

Feeding the "I want crowd" Logi haven't changed in what? A decade? Now they are a problem? Tier 3s, T3s, etc while the T1s languish. Newbies keep having further and further to go and that is disheartening.

Utility > power.

It has been an interesting thread to watch. Many sov null people believe that their part of the game is the only important one and that anything that improves their gameplay should be implemented regardless of the effect on the rest of the game.

They are, of course, wrong and it is difficult to respect or take such a position seriously. Such extreme parochialism is embarrassing, frankly.

Personally, I do not understand the attraction of blob warfare but understand many others love it. I wish them luck and hope their game improves. Just not at the expense of everyone else's. EVE would be much poorer if it was a game of sov null only.

tbh, if your Thrasher-Ganks of capsules and noobships in Highsec are not longer possible, no none will cry a tear.

"FCing fleets of outlaws in highsec..." ... lol... and I really did expect to find something innovative or exciting after your rant.

Best part of this is they are ranting at the corp that invented every tactic and ship fitting they currently use for ganking.

They should rather work on Fleet Bookmarks that only exist temporarily as long as the fleet exists but are updated for every fleet member every some seconds.

Of course still excluding them from fleet warping or only allow that with a spool-up delay, but every member can use them on his own instantly as soon as they are available to speed up fleet movement.

This comment is based on a misunderstanding Jack, and you're right the bookmark system just is not and cannot provide an acceptable substitute for the fleet warp mechanic.

In actuality fleet warp is too efficient, it's stifling, suppressing diversity. It does make FCing more difficult and this is an issue for these vital instigators, but hey ho fame should be a bit of a curse. This will also make casually policing your bit of null space more difficult I know because the time to target is lengthened.

If you can require fights then commitment comes more out of the need to defend and not to hide: with "blue balls" or the "no fun" tactic of, I hope, the past.

In fleet combat it is enhancing the difficulty of, as in Judo getting a good grip, the initial engagement or closing with the enemy.

In my opinion this will also create a more dynamic arena around fighting for entosis control points.

TO the wormholers you need something to make this pill less bitter and I hope that's addressed. However I can't say I see this as anything more than an inconvenience that you'll get over or work round.

TO the multiboxers, especially the cool ones like the provi pipe campers, who do it with three clients or more but with no software automation: like the Aussies in No Not Believing - your game has gotten even more tricky and that sucks but at least gates are still warp-able.

TO the gankers chasing killboard stats, boohoo.

TO the multibox miners, CCP needs to look at your game. I'd love to see a big buff in solo mining. I'd love to see a mini game play tractoring in rocks some area effects around mining that effected stuff: combat !! radiation clouds that effect lock distances or visibility by proximity. Hiding in mine fields could be a thing, ok perhaps I'm dreaming.

TO FC's in Brave you guys are the coolest, I guess the dojo needs a new scouting class - which it might already have as far as I know.

In other words you've never actually FCed at -10 in highsec, so you have literally no insight into what this means for -10 highsec fleets.