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Harbi lvl3 Mission fit

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xxASGARDxx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-14 01:59:31 UTC
Here is my skills: http://eveboard.com/pilot/xxASGARDxx

Wondering if anyone has any fits they could give me ;)

Btw, Is it better to use t2 weapons if you only have them at lvl1 skill?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2015-06-14 02:22:18 UTC
Use T2 if it fits. The spec skill is a bonus above and beyond any other relevant skill; 2% more damage is still 2% more damage. Furthermore, if you opt to use pulses you can use Scorch -- which is huge.

Two possible fits for you to try:

[Harbinger, L3]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

[Harbinger, L3 beams]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster I

Not sure why I have a metastasis adjuster on the second; it seems to fit without. Play around and see what works. I'd personally go with beams; they're just more versatile these days and you'll have drones to take out anything that gets under tracking.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#3 - 2015-06-14 02:24:26 UTC
Get your Amarr Battlecruiser skill up to IV and your Medium Beam Laser Specialization up to at least 3 and run a fit like this:

[Harbinger, L3 Beams]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Plenty of spare fitting so it shouldn't be hard to fit. Solid range and dps, cap is good too. You want to switch the hardeners to tailor for whatever rats you are fighting. The tank is a little thin for beginners, but as long as you're killing stuff fast enough it shouldn't be a problem, if you want to be safe you can start off with more tank by dropping heat sinks/tracking computers for more tank/cap recharge mods.
Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-06-14 05:44:40 UTC
I think the PvE meta has changed enough that new players don't need to be encouraged to train into BCs or BSes anymore. Between AFs, T3 Destroyers, T3 Cruisers and HACs, new players can afford to focus more training in the lower ship classes.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2015-06-14 06:02:31 UTC
Portiko wrote:
I think the PvE meta has changed enough that new players don't need to be encouraged to train into BCs or BSes anymore. Between AFs, T3 Destroyers, T3 Cruisers and HACs, new players can afford to focus more training in the lower ship classes.



This is definitely true. Especially in the case of BCs, a T3 Cruiser/HAC will do L3s just as well as a BC. However Battleships are still top tier at doing L4 missions. No T3/HAC can beat a Marauder/Mach/Nightmare/Rattlesnake when it comes to those. So there is still some reason to train into Battleships for PvE, however Battleships have very little application outside of PvE and it takes alot of training to get the skills up so it depends on what you eventually plan to do.
Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-06-14 06:29:08 UTC
BSes are still ideal for level 4s, but certain HACs and T3s are effective and easier to train into. They are a good platform to train on before getting into BSes.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2015-06-14 18:28:05 UTC
cruiser 5 is a long train, especially if you can't fly anything else. I wouldn't want to wait on cruiser 5 without being able to sit in a BC or maybe even a BS. the SP threshold to be effective in missions is rather low, and I wouldn't recommend burning 20ish days on cruiser 5, when that training time can be used to become effective in PVE. Although once you get into a BC and can run 3s, then the choice to go onto t2 frigs/cruisers or BS is a bit more difficult. with Low skills a BS can run 4s, but is rather inefficient. better frig/cruiser skills are good for pvp. and maybe pve. there are some t2/t3 cruisers that are very good for some forms of pve. In the long run you can train everything, so it isn't much of a worry. I love my BS skills, but I also have nearly all the frig/cruiser skills too.

The fits posted earlier look mostly right. Personally I never really liked the Harbinger.

I might try this, pretty similar to the above fits, but a little closer to a pvp fit. You can fit beams with a pretty similar fit, but fitting gets very tight. Looks like swapping one of the hardeners to a faction version makes it fit. Faction hardeners have similar stats to t2, but use 20 less CPU, and don't cost too much. Or you could probably drop a tracking comp, for a web or painter. I like the cap injector because you can drop all the cap rechargers, and CCCs, and instead fit mods that increase damage application. Plus I think it is better to learn to manage cap, and not just turn everything on, turn your brain off, and faceroll the guns. been awhile since I spent a lot of time in lv3s, not sure if the range is adequate or if it will get annoying chasing down npcs. where the beam fit will hit out to lock range no problem.
[Harbinger, PulsePve inject copy 1]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

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Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-06-14 18:51:20 UTC
Cruiser V is a pretty long train, but the only thing that made me say it was looking at these Harbinger fits and thinking the Confessor would perform so much better, which it does. T-Destroyers aren't exactly a huge long train to get into level 3s and probably a great idea for any new player to train into IMO.

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Atomeon
Laistera
#9 - 2015-06-14 21:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomeon
I wonder why someone havent suggest a Gila, yet P

The OP asked for Harbinger fit, Zhilia Mann gave him good fits and there it should be stop, not suggesting another ship!
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-06-14 22:36:30 UTC
I was going to try the confessor in lv3s, but I got bored after one. I would guess that the harbinger will end up performing better in mission. although thanks to the speed(mostly warp speed)/agility advantages of the confessor might push it ahead for pure blitzing.

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Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-06-15 06:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Portiko
I've been using a confessor and I'd say it's better. I've never had to use the defensive mode, it's just a case of sniping with small beams, up to about 70km. Propulsion mode makes a lot of difference too when it comes to grabbing mission objectives or just aligning and warping. In terms of raw damage, Harbinger might be better, but confessor uses small guns so the application will be better, it has the same range and adds too many conveniences that I wouldn't recommend a Harbinger over it for PvE.

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HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-06-15 07:56:37 UTC
Defintely recommend the Beam Harbinger! Snipe away what needs to get killed to finish the mission, warp out --> New mission.

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