Wormholes

Yeah. Pretty terrible is an understatement.

As for happy to talk about it, will he do what Fozzie did last time and pull the wool over our eyes stating that they are considering what we said, and then went and changed everything anyway, ignoring us?

Cross post from https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5813719#post5813719

These changes will make it impossible to catch Ratters. Pilots are going to start poping all the triggers in anomalys forcing combat probes to be used. There is no combat probing ship that can stop a battleship sitting on a mobile depot from refitting to a full rack of stabs and warping off.

Don't even get me started on W-Hole PvP, all of which happens on top of bookmarks known as wormholes....
Warping the fleet at different speeds will be the death of all lower class ships, Small corps can not afford to burn a pilot just so the logi can land at the same time as the battleships.

Cross-posting blue post from the original feedback thread, cause I assume the message is to us as well :)



My personal opinion on the bluepost:
Please don't. I would like this change to be reviewed by an objective team who will take all of EVE into account, and not just butter their own bread.

Miss EVE 2015 popularity contest isn't a good venue for objective feedback on gamedesign.

I said it on my blog, but I'll say it again here. Anything that removes laziness as an acceptable, nay neccessary, way of playing this game is good, in theory, because the more you become engaged with the playing of the game the more you'llkeep playing the game.

The problem with nullsec at the moment, and somewhat in w-space, is the sit and spin mentality, awaiting a ping on jabber or someone yarfing cookies on TS about escalation quad spotted in some C5. Then everyone undocks/forms up, and an FC leads you around by the nose.

The way the life of a typical blade of long grass goes in a large entity is like this:

• Ship spin while playing Tanks / DOTA / Panty Rancher Sugoii Edition
• Jabber Ping! OMG, put on headset and FC blabber jabber doctrine undock, undock, undock.
• Align gate. Gate broadcast, gate broadcast. Align, align, align. Take fleet warp.
• Jump gate. Align out gate. (repeat as neccesary)
• Warp to titan, warp to titan, warp to titan. Don't bump titan, titan, titan. (or wormhole, whatever)
• Cyno up, jump, jump, jump.
• Anchor on FC. Follow primary. Primary broadcast. Primary broadcast. Logi, wtf you useless scrub muffins. Where's my dictors?
• Take fleet warp to ping. Take fleet warp to ping. Take fleet warp to ping.
• Press F1. Press F1. Broadcast for reps.
• Welp successful / mission accomplished.
• Align gate. Gate broadcast, gate broadcast. Align, align, align. Take fleet warp.
• Jump gate. Align out gate. (repeat as neccesary)
• Warp to titan, warp to titan, warp to titan. Don't bump titan, titan, titan. (or wormhole, whatever)
• Cyno up, jump, jump, jump.
• OK boiz, dock up, put in your SRP requests.
[*} Now, do i take my Tier 5 German tank out, or the KV5?

So. Excite. Much killmail. Eliteness level achieved.

Don't get me wrong, from my limited time in NC Dot I learned a lot of good small gang and solo PVPers existed, hidden like a rake amongst the hordes of people like above. They usually flew tackle. Everyone else was just there for the killmails, as if we can't tell that they have no real ability to actually small gang PVP (or as it seems, 'micro gang').

This is a terrible, passive way to play the game. just like 50 bombers humping a BLOPs for hours is. CCP' is clearly trying to push the game into a more dynamic environment for PVP. Part of this has been a push towards smaller ships (right or wrong). Part has been to dismantle systems and structures which encourage blobbing and aggregation. This has included nerfing capital mobility, which is more about removing the need to counter large fleets of caps with large fleets of caps, which creates a system of two or four huge entitites. Part has been the move away from DPS/EHP mechanics to control defence and territory and infrastructure. This has created the Entosis Link.

The natural result of all of this will be small gangs of people fighting over ten to fifty billion bloody capture buttons in nullsec, circling passively (with an alt, w/e). Of course, the problem now becomes that the scene will still be dominated by fleets. Nothing will stop combat probers resolving entosis ships on far-off button grids and fleet warping alpha fleets on top of them, ganking the entosis ship and moving on and on.

The whole entosis mechanic and vision of skirmish warfare replacing blob warfare, and the game becoming more dynamic, exciting and sill based, relies on dissolving fleet mechanics like this, and making sure people can't fling 250 man alpha fleets at dispersed Entosis ships using combat probers.

Sady, wormholes will become a bit of collateral damage.

However, I think the logic of breaking down fleet responsibilities to lower levels, like squad commanders, really does kind of suggest that CCP should just knock wing and fleet level warps on the head and keep squad warps. That's a maximum of ten ships doing the same thing at the same time, and would (by and large) preserve w-space and small gang gameplay.

I don't like this change. It makes it too hard to catch ratters watching for probes. Limiting it to squads is a good compromise I think.

Please share with us CCP chain of tought - how battles and fleet operations are envisioned with this change in wh space?

Nerf to Multi-boxing : Fine with me.

Nerf to F1 Monkey : Fine with me.

I think I might like this change.

P.S. : I'm already loving the amount of salt production

@Corbex, i did :) What do you propose? Is there a way to organize such a session? I'll gladly participate

I did. Thanks for sharing a link. Will see you there!

You must of missed my earlier post; we're talking about w-space. Ratters are going to Pop all the triggers of a site on warpin removing it from the anom list forcing the use of combat probes.