Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please give me and my alts more isk.

I am mostly trying to point out that any content which scales linerarly or better will be multi-boxed all to hell.

Do it the other way then, the less players you have the more it scales. Start at five people with current rewards for each person and work your way to solo increasing rewards as you drop fleet size.

Won't reward social interaction at vet level when you have the skill points and ship to solo for life but would give someone who is being active a boost in isk over the very inactive miners of high sec.

Incursions are another topic all together which should be moved to low and null only solely because of the amount of isk that can be made per day rivals the amount a FW alt sitting in an empty system closing plexes all day. Yes there will be tears but Incursions don't seem to follow the isk vs reward system everything else is based on.

Nope. CCP should reward fleet behavior like they always have. There is a reason why larger operations are more successful in EVE. Now its time to apply that to the most frequently solo'd player activity. Reward those who worked hard to coordinate the fleets to complete missions.

Dont get me wrong, Im with you on two of those points in a manner of speaking. To stay on topic, as far as getting more isk from PvE the simple truth is lvl 4s are not the end of the line. If you want more isk go to low sec and do lvl 5s, I hear they are hard and most of the time they do require fleets to run. Which then goes into the Risk vs reward system.

Far as the FW plexing goes Im with you, nerf that sh** into the ground, they make far too much isk for the low amount of effort and low risk that comes with it. The plexes were made to give people a place to fight away from gate/station guns, not for people to grind isk like bears in high sec.

I wont even begin to acknowledge the false statement that there is risk in Incursions do to PvE rats. Every ship that is ever lost is due to a huge mistake that came from negligence on the part of the FC or one of the fleet members. Otherwise, the only thing they will ever fear is getting ganked when they are moving from one area to the next chasing Incursions. Even that can easily be avoided with simple tactics that most probably dont even think about.

You are already rewarded for doing missions with a fleet simply due to the fact that you can run them much, much faster, allowing you to run more missions in the same allotted time frame. There does not need to be a mechanic to increase pay out based on fleet participation, as it will only be farmed and abused by those with the ability to do so.

If you run incursions with "safe" fleets you make around 100m/hr, if you run them with fleets where you have to pay attention you can get 250m/hr. Your also very likely to loose any contest with a "safe" fleet.
When everything align against you, a ship last only seconds and logi may not be able to lock before your already in structure and logi can be alphaed off the field.

With many fleets in the same system there is a huge diffrence in isk/hr for the fleets that go for added safety over added dps.
I would not be suprised if high sec incursion losses total more htan other high sec PvE losses, ofc community that give you back dropped mods and help eachother get back into ships help make those losses easier to handle :P

1. There are only more steps involved if you're multi-boxing the fleet yourself. If you have other actual humans involved, the only thing that could be considered additional steps is making sure you tag the triggers, and the extra dialog box at the end for splitting rewards (or not).
2. So basically you're argument here is that it takes you two minutes to setup a fleet, so you need to get paid for that?
3. "Think of the newbies" is nothing more than a fall back argument used to try and prop up bad ideas.
4. No, what will happen is the vets will bring in their alts to collect the additional reward. They can already solo the mission, so why do they need to babysit some newbie when they can just use an alt? The players that help newbies do so because they like helping newbies, not because they get extra isk out of it.

1. doesn't matter, some people are better at multiboxing than others.
2. Argument is that there is greater effort involved in generating conten, which EVE should support to provide players with "rich experiences".
3. This idea is not just limited to new players, and there are so many definitions of "new players" in EVE Online, I wouldn't discriminate against what you would call (older players?).
4. Alts are a part of the game. Alts have been used in wonderful scams and other forms of gameplay. There is nothing wrong with alts. To answer the second part: the social interaction is better for the game.

Like I said. Fleets need better incentives for missions. They are putting forth effort to expand the game. This would be a wonderful tool to expand game conetent for older players and newer players. It would increase "richer experiences". There is complaints about alts, but people are going to use alts for PVP/PVE as long as EVE Online lives. Don't punish others for what other might do.