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Hiding from wardecs.
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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-06-12 17:41:39 UTC
Roll

So, I log back in after a week or so of training another character and I find an evemail telling corp members to hide in station or spend time away from EvE because of an active wardec.

I don't quite understand why someone would hide for over a week from another corp/alliance. I'm frustrated by this. I've expressed displeasure with the idea of hiding and it was met with a brick wall. I don't want to quit the corp because the guys are mostly cool but damn.

So, Bad Neighbors, I'll do my best to undock tonight when I get home from work for some gudfights even if no one else will.

...there's even a bulletin stating "DO NOT LOSE A SHIP".

Screw you, this is EvE.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-06-12 17:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mostly cool is not a good reason to stay in a corp with people who don't jive with your playstyle.

I vote for AWOX! Twisted

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-06-12 17:47:45 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Mostly cool is not a good reason to stay in a corp with people who don't jive with your playstyle.

I vote for AWOX! Twisted


Now there's a thought.

Guess I'll join belligerent undesirables tonight and get some pointers.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-06-12 17:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.

*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-06-12 17:51:22 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.

*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers.


Yeah, but at least I'm doing SOMETHING. I'd rather lose a few ships defending the corp than hide out in WoW or whatever other candy land they are hiding in.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-06-12 17:55:46 UTC
I support this OP. Why play a PVP oriented game and not want to lose a ship. If you die mail me the kill mail. I will love you long time.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#7 - 2015-06-12 18:18:25 UTC
OP gets it.

Get out there and fight them. Fight them in Velators, but fight them.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-06-12 18:18:30 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
I support this OP. Why play a PVP oriented game and not want to lose a ship. If you die mail me the kill mail. I will love you long time.


Absolutely.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-06-12 18:20:21 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Roll

So, I log back in after a week or so of training another character and I find an evemail telling corp members to hide in station or spend time away from EvE because of an active wardec.

I don't quite understand why someone would hide for over a week from another corp/alliance. I'm frustrated by this. I've expressed displeasure with the idea of hiding and it was met with a brick wall. I don't want to quit the corp because the guys are mostly cool but damn.

So, Bad Neighbors, I'll do my best to undock tonight when I get home from work for some gudfights even if no one else will.

...there's even a bulletin stating "DO NOT LOSE A SHIP".

Screw you, this is EvE.


War dec aversion is pretty rampant - it has a lot to do with the risk aversion of the typical wardec victim, along with the generally one sided nature of most wardecs. It's laudable that you're willing to pick up the flag and defend it, but if you're the only one doing it, it may not be worth defending in the first place.

Honestly, if the corporation differs that much from your desired play style, it may be time for a change.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#10 - 2015-06-12 19:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.

*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers.


Undocking solo against a more experienced aggressor without having a good reason to expect to win is a dumb idea in any scenario.

Fun story. The proliferation of the highsec T3 fleet happened in response to a downturn in resistance offered by defenders that happened around the time that dec-shield was a thing.

Prior to that is was typical for people to fly the least threatening thing they could use while still being combat effective, because presenting a target that was minimally threatening encouraged defenders to actually mount a resistance. However the likelyhood of defenders mounting any kind of resistance whatsoever, regardless of the type of ship the aggressor is in became so low that it became more practical to just fly the thing most capable of catching and killing any given individual ship you could locate, hence T3s became the order of the day.

In an environment where I can keep 20 members of a 70 man alliance docked up in a station just by being in system with them, completely by myself without any possibility of them attempting to engage me regardless of what I am in, there's no reason for the rest of my corp members to not by flying around in T3s picking off their oblivious mission runners.

I'm looking at Vae. Victis. on that one, worst alliance ever.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#11 - 2015-06-12 22:44:48 UTC
So I decided to help a friend out this week with nothing better to do. The target corp were fielding fleets of 10+ pirate battleship heavy with a smattering of logi. To fight we brought 2 prots 2 guards a kronos and a full neut domi. They wouldn't leave the station. Quite literally out numbered 2-1 with a bhal on field the fight would have come down to my ability to counter neut a bhal vs their ability to call the correct target and focus fire. But fear of the imaginary t3 blob kept them from fighting. If roles were reversed I gaurentee the wardeccers would lose that. The issue is the risk adversity not the war itself. Honestly if more people fought back I wouldn't be able to fly nice things

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#12 - 2015-06-12 22:46:34 UTC
PS op if even half a dozen of your corpies are keen to fight score me an invite. I'll happily come along for a day or 2 of wack a merc

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-06-12 22:47:15 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Enjoy being ganked by a T3 blob.

*if you undock solo against typical highsec pvp'ers.


Undocking solo against a more experienced aggressor without having a good reason to expect to win is a dumb idea in any scenario.

Fun story. The proliferation of the highsec T3 fleet happened in response to a downturn in resistance offered by defenders that happened around the time that dec-shield was a thing.

Prior to that is was typical for people to fly the least threatening thing they could use while still being combat effective, because presenting a target that was minimally threatening encouraged defenders to actually mount a resistance. However the likelyhood of defenders mounting any kind of resistance whatsoever, regardless of the type of ship the aggressor is in became so low that it became more practical to just fly the thing most capable of catching and killing any given individual ship you could locate, hence T3s became the order of the day.

In an environment where I can keep 20 members of a 70 man alliance docked up in a station just by being in system with them, completely by myself without any possibility of them attempting to engage me regardless of what I am in, there's no reason for the rest of my corp members to not by flying around in T3s picking off their oblivious mission runners.

I'm looking at Vae. Victis. on that one, worst alliance ever.


Well in most of these cases the level of pvp knowledge and experience amongst the defenders is so low that a gang of properly fit and flown T1 cruisers will cut them to ribbons.

The tendency of highsec pvp'ers to undock overwhelming force in the form of faction/deadspace fit pirate or advanced cruisers just ensures that the people who do have the pvp chops to fight decline to do so because their chances are effectively zero.

The people that will give you good fights, are by and large not in highsec. I understand fully the appeal of making a profit through the wardec system but you can't be surprised when anyone with a brain does everything possible to avoid you, leaving you to slaughter the new and the perpetually foolish.

OP, there is no value in undocking ships to certain defeat. Unless you can find a way to turn the tables, I would not give them the satisfaction.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-12 22:49:55 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
PS op if even half a dozen of your corpies are keen to fight score me an invite. I'll happily come along for a day or 2 of wack a merc


If it's a small time grief corp and a couple of people from this sub jump into the fight, that would qualify as a way to turn the tables and make things interesting.

I will have to look up the aggressor and see what he's dealing with.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-06-12 23:07:03 UTC
OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.

Ships are ammo.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#16 - 2015-06-12 23:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
PS op if even half a dozen of your corpies are keen to fight score me an invite. I'll happily come along for a day or 2 of wack a merc


If it's a small time grief corp and a couple of people from this sub jump into the fight, that would qualify as a way to turn the tables and make things interesting.

I will have to look up the aggressor and see what he's dealing with.

I can take a half dozen reasonably skilled (sp's wise) pilots who can fly bc's or better and dunk the average marmite/fa/whoever happens to be gate camping gate camp. certainly not if they see it coming. but if you can hide your forces right up until you are ready to engage then you can dunk the mercs 3/4. mostly the sudden local spike will send them docking up except the poor sod/s who are pointed. It's well known amongst mercs that this is the case but the thing is so few people try it that it's a non issue.

as for bad neighbors I know a bunch of them. same applies to them you just gotta bait them right

EDIT Bad Neibours are not sub-par btw. solid guys just that they like most mercs are not constantly in a huge t3 blob as some would have you believe and are actually vulnerable to baiting like pretty much anybody is

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#17 - 2015-06-12 23:21:35 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.

Ships are ammo.

I agree with this sentiment. However if it's just 1 or 2 guys and the rest are keen my offer stands Smile

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Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-06-13 01:09:18 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.

Ships are ammo.

I agree with this sentiment. However if it's just 1 or 2 guys and the rest are keen my offer stands Smile


I wish it were. I'm the only active player during the entire dec. They're all offline and will be.

I'll go corp shopping.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-06-13 02:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Also, do some homework on the aggressors. Check out their killboards for ideas as to what they fly. EVE Who for their roster, watch list em if you can. Run locates on the online ones. Sharpen your machete, look for a weak spot, and put the tongs to them.
Be the scary thing under the bed, or at least have fun trying to be.

If you can drop a few frozen corpses at your corpmates' feet when they come back then that would be sublime.
If it turns out they have numbers on you and a healthy board full of kills, make them chase you. It can be fun for the both of you.
I just don't like 'hiding' that much.

Just an idea.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#20 - 2015-06-13 03:38:50 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
OP, quit that corp. If the guys you enjoy flying with are telling you things like "don't lose a ship", they are confused.

Ships are ammo.

I agree with this sentiment. However if it's just 1 or 2 guys and the rest are keen my offer stands Smile


I wish it were. I'm the only active player during the entire dec. They're all offline and will be.

I'll go corp shopping.

This makes me a sad panda. What are you intrested in in the game other then not backing down for no reason? Lol

CoolCool

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