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Next step out of the Sandbox from ex Erotica1 minions.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2015-06-12 14:42:36 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...


No difference between 1 isk and a trillion.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2015-06-12 14:48:48 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...
How is it unfair? How is it any more ridiculous just because the sum is higher? Why is it worse because they used TS?

In short, why should anyone feel ashamed for stealing and robbing in a game where theft and robbery are legal moves — common legal moves, at that?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#23 - 2015-06-12 14:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Tippia wrote:
Brutus Utama wrote:
This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...
How is it unfair? How is it any more ridiculous just because the sum is higher? Why is it worse because they used TS?

In short, why should anyone feel ashamed for stealing and robbing in a game where theft and robbery are legal moves — common legal moves, at that?


Nonsense.

It's like when I play Grand Theft Auto. I know it's alright to slap 2 Hoes, but that 3rd Hoe slap is morally indefensible!

Twisted
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#24 - 2015-06-12 14:56:01 UTC
Never appreciated nor cultivated dishonest ppl and liars around my self thru out my life.vid game just make it a bit more cowardly,easier.

Hard to give kudos that way guy did it to him self for most part.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2015-06-12 15:04:24 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...

The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably made him leave the game...or if not made him unable to trust anyone in game again... Pretty unfair

on the contrary, real work went into this,
it required a clear skill set, protracted and thorough deception involving multiple people including the hijacking of an already established player corp and growing it to 80+ members.

they used a clearly evident skill set to do a job they were asked to do,
they deserved to get payd and i never say this about scams normally but they should be proud of their work

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#26 - 2015-06-12 16:32:56 UTC
I loving the poor attempts at manufacturing Ripardesque rage over this.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Big Lynx
#27 - 2015-06-12 16:39:23 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I loving the poor attempts at manufacturing Ripardesque rage over this.







ye, I tried... vOv
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-06-12 16:46:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Brutus Utama wrote:
This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...
How is it unfair? How is it any more ridiculous just because the sum is higher? Why is it worse because they used TS?

In short, why should anyone feel ashamed for stealing and robbing in a game where theft and robbery are legal moves — common legal moves, at that?


Nonsense.

It's like when I play Grand Theft Auto. I know it's alright to slap 2 Hoes, but that 3rd Hoe slap is morally indefensible!

Twisted

ell oh ell.

Anyway - how many people got interested in EVE after reading about the Guiding Hand Social Club heist? Isn't that just such a great story? All the things you can do in this game!

Then they sign up and find they are in fact a part of this very story. Yay! Except - it's not the Club's part...

+1 to scammers.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2015-06-12 17:13:45 UTC
I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#30 - 2015-06-12 17:22:22 UTC
I'd rather rage over having to go to evenews24 to read that.

That's some out of game abuse right there.

The scam? Nothing wrong with what happened.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2015-06-12 17:28:19 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay?


In my professional opinion as an amateur internet psychologist, I'd say you're just fine.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2015-06-12 17:35:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay?


In my professional opinion as an amateur internet psychologist, I'd say you're just fine.

i second my esteemed colleague, however i have noticed a distinct and alarming coherence to your post....a sobriety evenShocked

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#33 - 2015-06-12 17:56:59 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably made him leave the game...or if not made him unable to trust anyone in game again... Pretty unfair


But that is the point, isn't it? You can not trust anyone in this game. And if you do, it bites you in the ass. That is more or less what I learned in the game from day one. If he hasn't learned it yet and still made 100B, kudos to him, but also shame on him, about time he learned that part about EVE.


It is common sense to be careful. He wasn't. It came back to him and bit him in the ass.

Scamming isn't my style of gameplay, in fact I have a very low opinion of people who do it (I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl), but this is entirely hs own fault. You should never give up that kind of cash to someone you barely know, and definitely under those circumstances.

(Having that kind of cash on your main toon and not hidden on alts and giving away his API is another stupid mistake)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#34 - 2015-06-12 18:03:41 UTC
How someone gets far enough to get that much ISK and now know about scams is strange to me.

I also recall there is a thread all about why players stay in NPC corps or 1-man corps. This would be why.

If you think scamming is "good", then you have to take the bad with the good, the bad being that people will stay in NPC corps and/or highsec and not even respond to a convo.

I'm not calling for an end to scamming. I'm calling for players with a sense of entitlement to start seeing that actions have consequences. Scamming, AWOXing, etc. have those consequences often complained about by the same people touting "sandbox" and "social game" all of the time.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Moth Eisig
#35 - 2015-06-12 18:14:47 UTC
That's a smidge better RoI than 9 months for a Rorqual.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-06-12 18:38:32 UTC
Stacy Lone wrote:
(I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl)
Humans are mostly horrible creatures, nothing new there.

Though apparently certain types of 'boundaries' can make things even worse!


Anyway, I'd bet the scammers in that story are fairly decent people IRL.

We shouldn't worry about them, we should worry about poor Elias IRL! EVE is a cold harsh universe, but RL is the real deal. I can only hope that losing a couple billion of pixel currency because of extreme naivety will teach him to be a tad more careful with the real cash.


EVE is educational, who would've known?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-06-12 18:44:22 UTC
nope
this does not compare to that why erotica1 got his righfully earned ban for.

scamming one naive guy is not a big deal.
scamming corps or alliances like the imperium would be spectecular, but this?
pffffff
100 bill?
that was one naive guy.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-06-12 18:46:49 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Stacy Lone wrote:
(I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl)
Humans are mostly horrible creatures, nothing new there.

Though apparently certain types of 'boundaries' can make things even worse!


Anyway, I'd bet the scammers in that story are fairly decent people IRL.

We shouldn't worry about them, we should worry about poor Elias IRL! EVE is a cold harsh universe, but RL is the real deal. I can only hope that losing a couple billion of pixel currency because of extreme naivety will teach him to be a tad more careful with the real cash.


EVE is educational, who would've known?


No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-06-12 18:51:31 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now.
Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now.

Are you Elias? Same naivety.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#40 - 2015-06-12 18:59:02 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now.
Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now.

Are you Elias? Same naivety.



This is why I talk about false perception. One of the things that fuels false perceptions is lack of context. People that exist now didn't exist in the past when things were really bad, so they believe that what's going on now is terrible.

Truth is this is the most peaceful time in all of human history, and it's getting even more peaceful (and prosperous) with each passing day.