EVE General Discussion

Well, you have these "gamers" who have convinced themselves they're doing something dangerous by moving pixels around. They view that as the only valid way to game - the way they game (which is no specific way. It depends on the they.) Add to this the general lack of manners and decorum that's popular today and you get a cute little phrase they think is sheer genius.

You're supposed to react according to their lights. Carebear? Ooooh. Feel insulted! Theme Park? Ooooooh, feel like you're a two-year old with mommy holding your hand. In fact it means nothing - meaning: you get a different definition per person you ask, "What's that, then?" The idea is not to elucidate. It's to be dismissive. After all, that is the "new thing" try to be dismissive of people so you don't have to actually deal with them.

The tactic is to bunch up in a group to make it seem like they're the whole world, and you're all alone. So, you're the one who's WRONG, or NOT COOL, or whatever Beavis and Butthead are saying these days.

In the end...it's all text on a website - you know - a virtual Theme Park:

Some great replies thank you everyone

Found in your replies is the comparative to Eve to other MMOs.. I now hate other MMOs haha

I tried WoW and hated it, same with STO and now can see the Question I asked is obvious in answer.

Thank you again

Give EVE some time you'll learn to hate it too.

The other posts didn't really explain the difference very well. Most point to a difference in how content is consumed linearly or not linearly.

The sharp defintion of sandbox and themepark is this: in a sandbox you as a player can leave an imprint that is influencing other players. Like, castles in the RL sandbox. In a themepark game you cannot. In most themeparks the only influence you can wage on other players is through prices in the market.

In a sandbox you have the market influence, but in addition you have some of the following: PvP with looting or similar, territorial dominance or ownership, terraforming or similar (starbases), political instruments, depletion of ressources.

If you log out from a themepark and return a week later, your play conditions will not have changed. If you transfer to another server, the limits to your game experiences will be the same. In a sandbox game, the conditions will change over time due to other players.

I don't hate other MMOs, I hate people who expect all MMOs to be the same (or claim to through their actions).

The truth is that there are a LOT of "sandbox incompatible" players who play Sandbox games (not just EVE) and complain about lack of theme park features.

It's a kind of insidious, "Borg-Like" Carebearism where people can't just go play games that make them happy, they need to go into games they don't like (made by companies they can't stand) and make them CONFORM. And it does not work in reverse, when I play Star Trek Online you don't get legions of people asking for 'more sandbox', you get people asking for more theme park ("When are we going to see higher level caps!!!").

The incompatible people are annoying, because like in real life, they are people who would rather stay in a certain place and make everyone else conform to their idea of "how it should be" rather than letting people who like a certain thing have that while they go off to someplace that does what they like.
20 years ago I had a college roommate who had certain...non-capitalist political ideas...and kept trying to foist those on us instead of moving to a damn country that does that crap, couldn't stand him either. Odd side note, last time I heard anything about the guy he was working for a BANK lol.

When you are compatible with a situation you are in, one of the most annoying things ever is screaming, whining incompatibles begging the powers that be for "change" (for the shear sake of change).

Theme park without a ticket

Sandbox with a pay to enter gate.

These ideas are disimilar to real life.

I see walls, hardware, CCP software on someone else's software.


Saying there is no theme in EVE's park is like saying it's just another box game with 'whats in the box' mentality playstyle alongside the opportunity to be on chat roulette or some other face-2-face chat engine facing big bad scammers for self-defense development.

It's a game, it is both theme park and sandbox with free sand at the same time.

Can't really argue with that assessment.

I too would have to agree with that. I thought it was common knowledge that much of C&P is dedicated to enjoying the tears of other players. If people weren't being made unhappy they'd have no fun.

Hmm I wonder if some one could apply that to EVE Online's "zones" High sec, Low sec, 0.0 sec, WH? They have more of a single cascading theme, but a they are zones.

Well, in my knowledge EVE is the one and only to have such vast space to conquer and call your own.
In other games:
You don't really feel and have such freedom to act and prosper.
You can have map like in Planetside, but what when you conquer it? You don't have economy like in EVE to reap rewards and resources.
You can have castle or a battlefield like in Age of Conan and when you conquer it, you will take some points and exchange them for new items, but its the only map or the only guild castle, because there are different servers, and there are instances everywhere.