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[GALLENTE] [GMVA] A Federation Made Whole Again
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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#41 - 2015-06-12 05:21:47 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
Reading your posts, I cannot tell whether this whole charade is a game to you, or if you truly believe you are "defending freedom," as nationalistic Gallenteans like to say. I would certainly hope that facing the loss of valuable crewmen, and constantly uprooting millions of local inhabitants of the systems being fought over would not be a simple war game for you, Rinai.


What mystifies me is the difficulty of having a genuine discussion related to the conduct of the Militia Wars.

On the one hand, we are mocked as naive for expressing a belief that our actions have any relevance whatsoever. Then at the exact same time, someone else shows up to chide us for what... not taking our mission or ourselves seriously enough?

How dare I not subscribe to the prevailing affectation of cynicism around here, am I right? Perish the thought that an organization engaged in the CEWPA Conflict actually invest itself in the outcome of that conflict.

For the record: yes, I believe I am defending freedom by helping to restore the territorial integrity of sovereign Federation space. I do believe in the universal value of individual Liberty as a basic right for all humanity. Personally, though, I don't subscribe to the perspective that conquest of Caldari systems makes them "free" that some of my comrades espouse. I believe the best form of government is what people choose for themselves, even if they choose one as corrupt as the CEP.

That's why I support Soter's proposal for granting ongoing work permits and a path to Federation citizenship. Eventually, there will be a peace settlement. At that point both sides need to recognize the rights of those displaced during the conflict to stay and pursue productive lives, or "vote with their feet" back to the government of their choice.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#42 - 2015-06-12 08:12:05 UTC
Two mad dogs, barking at each other. It's only entertaining briefly: get those ships undocked and kill each other already, without all this empty capsuleer bravado.

It's really a one in a million situation to find a thread where Kim-haani is the one making most sense.

As for the original thread content, that's a marvelous and commendable achievement - more territory to control means more thinly spread Gallente Navy forces, which will make things more enjoyable for the Guardian Angels in the area.

As I said already, good luck in getting yourselves and Caldari pilots killed in your little proxy war.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2015-06-12 15:01:14 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
As I said already, good luck in getting yourselves and Caldari pilots killed in your little proxy war.


Not empty quoting - dirt always accumulates in the corners of a house the owner is too busy to clean regularly.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#44 - 2015-06-12 16:50:06 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I see that pirate gallentean Soter is poking his head again.
Surprised he didn't lost all his hairs after failed Okkamon "blockade".

If your Federation is "whole", it is only temporary, because while your fascist occupants will stay in our worlds, we will keep fighting, and as you aren't interested in getting out of our way, we will fight to the end. To YOUR end.

The Federation must be destroyed.

You were right, her cheeks do dimple when she scowls.

Payment has been forwarded.

Oh my gosh that is adorable
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#45 - 2015-06-13 16:20:41 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Two mad dogs, barking at each other. It's only entertaining briefly: get those ships undocked and kill each other already, without all this empty capsuleer bravado.

It's really a one in a million situation to find a thread where Kim-haani is the one making most sense.

As for the original thread content, that's a marvelous and commendable achievement - more territory to control means more thinly spread Gallente Navy forces, which will make things more enjoyable for the Guardian Angels in the area.

As I said already, good luck in getting yourselves and Caldari pilots killed in your little proxy war.


I wouldn't call a single comment of calm and collected criticism barking from a mad dog. Her response, I would argue, is equally calm and collected, even if a tad irritated in tone which is understandable.

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Emoh Aidem
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-06-14 08:01:56 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Squids? A depressing show of true colours from Villore. Perhaps you should choose a better venue for your questionable choice of words.


But the Calamari is always fresh when served in Gallente controlled stations.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-06-14 08:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Julianus Soter wrote:
I appreciate that I've been upgraded from "warcriminal" to "blowhard"... my thanks.

The legislation proposed in this transmission, if you had bothered to read it, is indeed one of the surest steps to peace we can take. Unfortunate that you don't seem to take such serious attempts at reconciliation to heart.


Mr Soter we will have to do something then in regards to such an upgrade in title. A metal will have to be commissioned in your honor.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-06-14 08:20:01 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
fascist


I believe you don't understand the word you used. So I find it laughable since you live in a Corptocracy.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#49 - 2015-06-14 15:01:21 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
fascist


I believe you don't understand the word you used. So I find it laughable since you live in a Corptocracy.

Is that what we are called in the Federation? A ... Corptocracy?

I don't really know what that is, I'm afraid. We have a few words to describe our structure here. My personal favourite is Tiirotiuul.

... which I suppose translates into The Way of Winds, and I suppose isn't very helpful to you! Let me try again, I'll pull up a Gallente political reference this time.

There it is. Corporate Feudal State. It even has our name in the title! There we are, I think that is a little more descriptive. It's not simply rule-by-corporations. It is corporate rule within a traditional power structure. Is that better?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2015-06-14 18:20:49 UTC
Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.

In governing direction, they are opposites.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2015-06-14 18:52:51 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.

In governing direction, they are opposites.


These days, I wonder if there's even much in it anymore in terms of which is more authoritarian...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2015-06-14 18:57:06 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.

In governing direction, they are opposites.

I guess that is unsurprising! When we were approached by the Luminarians, we received many of their ideas, and when we were pulled into interstellar politics we were put into the shape that those ideas presented. We are a different people, though, and have different ideas, so even though we have this similar shape, its contents are very different.

Interesting!
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-06-14 19:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Scherezad wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
fascist


I believe you don't understand the word you used. So I find it laughable since you live in a Corptocracy.

Is that what we are called in the Federation? A ... Corptocracy?

I don't really know what that is, I'm afraid. We have a few words to describe our structure here. My personal favourite is Tiirotiuul.

... which I suppose translates into The Way of Winds, and I suppose isn't very helpful to you! Let me try again, I'll pull up a Gallente political reference this time.

There it is. Corporate Feudal State. It even has our name in the title! There we are, I think that is a little more descriptive. It's not simply rule-by-corporations. It is corporate rule within a traditional power structure. Is that better?


-Redacted- After reading what others have said. No need to beat a dead horse.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-06-14 20:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Scherezad wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ultra-corporate authoritarian collectivism, as opposed to the ultra-liberal corporate free market of the Federation. In essence, they share the same roots.

In governing direction, they are opposites.

I guess that is unsurprising! When we were approached by the Luminarians, we received many of their ideas, and when we were pulled into interstellar politics we were put into the shape that those ideas presented. We are a different people, though, and have different ideas, so even though we have this similar shape, its contents are very different.

Interesting!


If nothing I started an open discussion about the differences between the State and the Federation. Note I didn't say Gallente Federation or Caldari State as they are more than just Gallente or Caldari.
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