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Nerf to fleet warps incoming

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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#21 - 2015-06-12 01:49:29 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
This is the CSM's doing.

Specifically Manfred Sideous.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5351648#post5351648 (Comments on combat probing)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5368483#post5368483 His desire to change combat probing and to do it as loudly as possible.

This is the CSM's requested change.

And this kinda royalty kills wspace in almost every sense of the word. Can't warp fleet to a fking wormhole entrance now?


It should be noted that he was the same fellow pushing for jump fatigue changes.

I'm trying to understand what these changes are accomplishing (I'm well aware of what the wishful thinking meta is).


Basically it's meta gaming against bombers. Usually form people who don't understand that bombers keep some potential null fleet doctrine madness in check.

Its like how people stupidly get rid of some predator in real life then act all surprised when their homes get over run by frogs or something.



oh so its some CSM/CCP DEV pvp then.. called meta gaming
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#22 - 2015-06-12 01:53:14 UTC
I think we've currently got an unfortunate combination of really crap CSM members and CCP being desperate to try and revitalize the game.
Sasha Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#23 - 2015-06-12 02:30:42 UTC
This is a pretty big nerf to high sec freighter ganking with -5 sec status characters.
Tzu Wu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-06-12 02:50:27 UTC
Sasha Cohenberg wrote:
This is a pretty big nerf to high sec freighter ganking with -5 sec status characters.


Did not even think of that. I think a work around might be to personally bookmark the warp in spots, then since you have that spot bookmarked it will work? Could be wrong.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2015-06-12 02:57:19 UTC
Tzu Wu wrote:
Sasha Cohenberg wrote:
This is a pretty big nerf to high sec freighter ganking with -5 sec status characters.


Did not even think of that. I think a work around might be to personally bookmark the warp in spots, then since you have that spot bookmarked it will work? Could be wrong.

nope,

CCP Larrikin wrote:
Fleet Commanders, Wing Commanders & Squad Commanders will no longer be able to warp to anything a fleet member couldn’t warp to on their own. This includes –
  • Probe Results
  • Bookmarks
  • Any private deadspace item (missions, etc.)
Commanders will still be able to warp their fleet to other fleet members, and all other ‘public’ objects.
.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5812621#post5812621

you will just have to get the scout on grid first then fleet "warp to member" and its fine, seriously its no big deal

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-06-12 03:16:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
Tzu Wu wrote:
Sasha Cohenberg wrote:
This is a pretty big nerf to high sec freighter ganking with -5 sec status characters.


Did not even think of that. I think a work around might be to personally bookmark the warp in spots, then since you have that spot bookmarked it will work? Could be wrong.

You should have a bumper or scanner on him before hand. I dont know of many gank tactics that dont involve someone buttering up the guy before he gets cooked. Could be wrong.

E: I thought of one possible scenario. If one of your ships doesnt have an instant undock BM from staging point and a -5 sec status, he may die before being of use.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#27 - 2015-06-12 03:22:09 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I think we've currently got an unfortunate combination of really crap CSM members and CCP being desperate to try and revitalize the game.


Agree 100%

If you want to fix battleships and bombing runs, fix battleships and/or bombers. This is just another change that is quite frankly terrible and has large implications on quality of life for almost everyone else.

If you want to revitalize the game, fix lowsec and npc null; give people a place to learn the game rather than dumping 100% of the emphasis on Sov.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#28 - 2015-06-12 03:36:49 UTC
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Jonni Favorite
Militant Industrialists LLC
Militant Consortium
#29 - 2015-06-12 03:46:54 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:


oh so its some CSM/CCP DEV pvp then.. called meta gaming


I think the opposite. I think it would improve tactical gaming a lot
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-06-12 03:55:14 UTC
Yea so now i need X to do this X to do that ...


extra step here ...

Pointless change total waste of dev time that could have been spent on things we all actually do care about changeing But not a huge deal
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-06-12 09:16:16 UTC
Please close.

Official thread is up: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5812621#post5812621

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#32 - 2015-06-12 10:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
About time.

Seems reasonable as well - point scout is needed for a such obscure destinations as cosmic signatures, bookmarks et cetera.

Explain it by the inability to safely calculate the warp formations without a point ship. Blink

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#33 - 2015-06-12 10:26:02 UTC
Sasha Cohenberg wrote:
This is a pretty big nerf to high sec freighter ganking with -5 sec status characters.


code tears best tears

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Wolf Crownn
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-06-12 10:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolf Crownn
Harder to manage fleets, especially for newer players.
FW Fleets are going to be chaotic now.

I mean yeah, most of us will adapt cause he might "have to",
But really— Why? This is dumb.

As a recon/prober I like to just BM/Set Targets here and there, and leave it to the FC.

Now I have to be the Point man it's just more work and I'm lazy. Fleet Warp is our Luxury.

—it's not about the value you gain, but the value they lose.
Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
#35 - 2015-06-12 10:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pops Tickle
This does not feel like they put a lot of thought into it.

Edit: I apologize for the lack of detail. It feels a bit crapped onto us and can be circumvented easily. A prober can easily copy the bookmark.several times and jettison them for the fleetmembers to grab. Alternatively - assuming the fleet's members share the same corp - the prober only needs to create a bookmark for the corporation.

The other variant of course is that the probing character sits next to the target. Cloaked. The objective of this change does not seem to be actually met.

CCP Rise wrote:

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Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2015-06-12 12:42:28 UTC
Think this is right up there with the idiot csm who got ccp to make corp titles invisible patch before last.

Not impressed.

Someone tell the monkey to sit down
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2015-06-12 12:44:36 UTC
Pops Tickle wrote:
This does not feel like they put a lot of thought into it.

Edit: I apologize for the lack of detail. It feels a bit crapped onto us and can be circumvented easily. A prober can easily copy the bookmark.several times and jettison them for the fleetmembers to grab. Alternatively - assuming the fleet's members share the same corp - the prober only needs to create a bookmark for the corporation.

The other variant of course is that the probing character sits next to the target. Cloaked. The objective of this change does not seem to be actually met.



Indeed. Just wasted code
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2015-06-12 12:47:49 UTC
Thread closed because redirect was posted properly.

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